NFL Emails Scandal (Gruden thread expanded)

[Foxx]

13 minutes ago, Ann said:

So who had it in for Gruden to leak his emails and only his email? He's been canceled and basically unpersoned by the NFL. The Tampa Bay move is especially egregious (Antonio Brown, anyone?)

I'm a go out on a limb here and say... Gruden?

 

I kid, it was probably his comments about Goodell that led to this whole fiasco so I would say Goodell was behind it possibly.

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, Ann said:

I think you are missing everyone's point. Purposely or not. No one is condoning Gruden's emails. However, they were leaked. No one else's emails have been leaked (yet). He's been canceled by the NFL. Not only has he "resigned" from Vegas, he was removed from the ring of honor in Tampa!

His email were misogynistic, yet the NFL has a halftime show full of people who have written and sung vile lyrics about women. How can you square the two? One man gets fired for emails written when not employed by the NFL  while another group is hired by the NFL while currently saying worse. 

Hypocrisy in full display.
 

Recap: 

 

1. He didn't get fired.

2. He wasn't an employee of the NFL.

3. He wasn't fired by the NFL, see #1 and #2.

 

Points 1 -3 are pretty important to this idea of hypocrisy on part of the NFL.  

 

4. He tossed racial, homophobic, and misogynistic insults at the commissioner, team owners, referees, the current POTUS, the head of the NFLPA, reporters, and players and slammed the NFL home office compromising his ability to perform his job as head coach of the Raiders.  He also laughed at issues of player safety and concussions.  Do you think Gruden is winning friends and influencing people in the home office?  

 

Why were his and only his emails leaked? You can choose to believe because this is part of a broader culture war and the NFL is hell bent on getting rid of racists, misogynists, and homophobes but promoting the same ideas during half-time shows or you can believe that he spat in the face off all the wrong people and that has consequences.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jon-gruden-emails-resigns-raiders-coach/1f7nbdnxccjat1momv1xkg9bpp

 

As for the Tampa thing:

 

Quote

He also asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Buccaneers, to perform oral sex on him. Allen reportedly responded that Glazer would “take you up on that offer.” Gruden coached Tampa Bay from 2002 through 2008.

 

Sounds like Gruden and the Glazers have a great relationship.  I can't imagine why the team owner might seize a moment where Gruden has fallen from grace with fans to spite him.

 

The big winner once again is Dan Snyder who has managed to avoid most of the scrutiny as the lede has been buried.  He didn't even have to change the team name to do it this time.

[Arm of Harm]

Consider the following:

 

1) The Patriots cheated their way to a three point Super Bowl win over Kurt Warner and the St Louis Rams.

 

2) Years later the NFL investigates cheating, issues a verdict, then physically destroys the evidence. We will never know the full extent of the Patriots’ cheating because the evidence was destroyed.

 

3) Years later the NFL investigates Football Team. Nothing from that investigation is released, except for emails from a non-employee (Gruden).

 

4) While Gruden loses his job over these selectively released emails, others who have done far worse are either not punished at all or are let off a lot more lightly. Halftime shows with misogynistic lyrics are just one example of that. One player dragged his pregnant girlfriend down three flights of stairs. Another had been involved in a murder. A third is most likely guilty of rape. None lost their jobs. 
 

5) Lest anyone claim that the apparent hypocrisy of 4) is about holding coaches to a higher standard than players or rappers, ask yourself whether that “higher standard” was applied to Bill Belichick and his repeated acts of cheating. After having been punished for the film stuff the first time around, he was later caught doing the same thing again. When a particular team cheats to win, it is an attack on the integrity of the game. Gruden’s Super Bowl trophy has no asterisks on it, and yet it is he, not Belichick, who is being selectively cancel cultured. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Arm of Harm

[LB3]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

I think you are missing everyone's point. Purposely or not. No one is condoning Gruden's emails. However, they were leaked. No one else's emails have been leaked (yet). He's been canceled by the NFL. Not only has he "resigned" from Vegas, he was removed from the ring of honor in Tampa!

His email were misogynistic, yet the NFL has a halftime show full of people who have written and sung vile lyrics about women. How can you square the two? One man gets fired for emails written when not employed by the NFL  while another group is hired by the NFL while currently saying worse. 

Hypocrisy in full display.
 

"Conservatives pounce..." 😄

Edited October 13, 2021 by LB3

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Recap: 

 

1. He didn't get fired.

2. He wasn't an employee of the NFL.

3. He wasn't fired by the NFL, see #1 and #2.

 

Points 1 -3 are pretty important to this idea of hypocrisy on part of the NFL.  

 

4. He tossed racial, homophobic, and misogynistic insults at the commissioner, team owners, referees, the current POTUS, the head of the NFLPA, reporters, and players and slammed the NFL home office compromising his ability to perform his job as head coach of the Raiders.  He also laughed at issues of player safety and concussions.  Do you think Gruden is winning friends and influencing people in the home office?  

 

Why were his and only his emails leaked? You can choose to believe because this is part of a broader culture war and the NFL is hell bent on getting rid of racists, misogynists, and homophobes but promoting the same ideas during half-time shows or you can believe that he spat in the face off all the wrong people and that has consequences.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jon-gruden-emails-resigns-raiders-coach/1f7nbdnxccjat1momv1xkg9bpp

 

As for the Tampa thing:

 

 

Sounds like Gruden and the Glazers have a great relationship.  I can't imagine why the team owner might seize a moment where Gruden has fallen from grace with fans to spite him.

 

The big winner once again is Dan Snyder who has managed to avoid most of the scrutiny as the lede has been buried.  He didn't even have to change the team name to do it this time.

 

No matter how you slice it, it's still selective outrage.  No one gives a shit about Gruden.  It's the selective outrage that's &#%$ing annoying.  

 

And you've seen me bitch about selective outrage, in many forms, for almost two decades now, so don't give me any shit about it either.

[IDBillzFan]

17 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

One player dragged his pregnant girlfriend down three flights of stairs. Another had been involved in a murder. A third is most likely guilty of rape. None lost their jobs. 

 

And yet I'm supposed to believe the reason no one wants Colin Kaepernick is because of his SJW crap?

 

Yeah. Okay. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that teams figured him out and he ended losing his job to a Walgreens cashier.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

I have a feeling we're going to need a new thread titled "NFL Email Scandal."

 

The story below is actually not a good look for Schefter, but he will inevitably be backed by his peers who will insist journalists often put pre-published material in front of someone in the story to ensure accuracy. But asking if anything should be "added, changed, tweaked" is a bedroom partner move.

 

Frankly, I don't care about sports journalism like regular journalism because the only thing you need to be a sports journalist is the ability to understand basic grammar, and a couple of connections. So this isn't much of a story...except that those feasting on the Gruden story will start devouring everything coming out of the emails because the hysterical reactions precedent has been set.

 

 

 

 

It is almost as though someone is going after ESPN with the selectiveness of the emails being leaked.

Gruden was working there at the time, and now Schefter.

 

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

 

It is almost as though someone is going after ESPN with the selectiveness of the emails being leaked.

Gruden was working there at the time, and now Schefter.

 

That's an interesting -- albeit somewhat sketchy -- thought. I'm not wise enough to the ways of the NFL, but I do know they negotiate with companies like ESPN for broadcasting, and maybe this is how Goodell negotiates.

 

"Amazon Prime is willing to pay much more for these games, and oh, hey, what are these silly little emails doing here?"

 

As likely or unlikely as anything else, I guess.

[Arm of Harm]

This whole situation comes down to two things:

 

1) Gruden made an enemy of Goodell by insulting him.

 

2) Gruden gave Goodell the power to punish him, by writing racial emails.

 

There is nothing more to this situation than that.

[GG1]

36 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Recap: 

 

1. He didn't get fired.

2. He wasn't an employee of the NFL.

3. He wasn't fired by the NFL, see #1 and #2.

 

 

The NFL was in sole possession of these emails, outside of Gruden and Allen.  NFL in its sole discretion decided to release ONLY these emails out of thousands.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, GG1 said:

 

The NFL was in sole possession of these emails, outside of Gruden and Allen.  NFL in its sole discretion decided to release ONLY these emails out of thousands.

Yes, see point #4.  

[Jauronimo]

12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

And yet I'm supposed to believe the reason no one wants Colin Kaepernick is because of his SJW crap?

 

Yeah. Okay. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that teams figured him out and he ended losing his job to a Walgreens cashier.

He would have had a job with the Ravens if his girlfriend hadn't called Ray Lewis a House N*****.  No one is dealing with the circus for borderline starter level play.  See Tim Tebow.

[snafu]

31 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Recap: 

 

1. He didn't get fired.

2. He wasn't an employee of the NFL.

3. He wasn't fired by the NFL, see #1 and #2.

 

Points 1 -3 are pretty important to this idea of hypocrisy on part of the NFL.  

 

You're right about your three points here.  I'd speculate that he resigned because he could get some $$ out of the Raiders on his way out the door.

 

And someone in the NFL leaked the emails.  Emails that were never leaked for 7 to 10 years by anyone else.  Emails culled from hundreds of thousands of emails.  Emails leaked to hold up Gruden as an example of the type of culture that the NFL can't abide. 

 

Yes, Gruden comes off as the biggest ass on all of Football.  And yes, the NFL took this moment to slam him.  They couldn't slam him for being an ass.  They had to use "culture" as their excuse.  The NFL leaker knew exactly where this would lead.  When the first racist email didn't do the trick, they released more which were homophobic and anti-women.  They're selectively using "culture" to get rid of an unwanted jackass and looking the other way on the halftime show content.  They probably either didn't think it through, or they're okay with the double-standard.  Either way, it is a double-standard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GG1]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Yes, see point #4.  

 

That doesn't answer the bigger question of hypocrisy and selective outrage.   Are we to believe that in the last decade or so, these are the only bad emails that the NFL knows of.

 

If that's the case, a former high profile assistant GM is thankful that nobody is aware of him sharing porn over email.  Unless porn is no longer misogynistic?  

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, GG1 said:

 

That doesn't answer the bigger question of hypocrisy and selective outrage.   Are we to believe that in the last decade or so, these are the only bad emails that the NFL knows of.

 

If that's the case, a former high profile assistant GM is thankful that nobody is aware of him sharing porn over email.  Unless porn is no longer misogynistic?  

Did Whaley go to great lengths to insult Goodell, owners, refs, reporters, players and the NFLPA? 

 

This was personal. The league doesn't really care about social issues.  They care about avoiding them and limiting bad press.  If it wasn't personal these emails would go in the burn pit with the spygate tapes.  

 

Still finding time to be angsty about porn and rap music....I feel like I'm debating 20 Tipper Gores.  

[GG1]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Did Whaley go to great lengths to insult Goodell, owners, refs, reporters, players and the NFLPA? 

 

This was personal. The league doesn't really care about social issues.  They care about avoiding them and limiting bad press.  If it wasn't personal these emails would go in the burn pit with the spygate tapes.  

 

Still finding time to be angsty about porn and rap music....I feel like I'm debating 20 Tipper Gores.  

 

I think everyone agrees that this was a huffy fit by Goodell to take out Gruden.    But by painting him as the evil racist bogey man for whom there's no place in the league opens the NFL for hypocritical actions.

 

It's pretty simple, if you stand against racism, homophobia and misogyny, there should be no place in your venues for anyone who's espoused those views in the last 10 years.  Otherwise you're a thin skinned hypocrite.

[IDBillzFan]

18 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

He would have had a job with the Ravens if his girlfriend hadn't called Ray Lewis a House N*****.  No one is dealing with the circus for borderline starter level play.  See Tim Tebow.

 

I believe this to be true, as well.

[Ann]

58 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Recap: 

 

1. He didn't get fired.

2. He wasn't an employee of the NFL.

3. He wasn't fired by the NFL, see #1 and #2.

 

Points 1 -3 are pretty important to this idea of hypocrisy on part of the NFL.  

 

4. He tossed racial, homophobic, and misogynistic insults at the commissioner, team owners, referees, the current POTUS, the head of the NFLPA, reporters, and players and slammed the NFL home office compromising his ability to perform his job as head coach of the Raiders.  He also laughed at issues of player safety and concussions.  Do you think Gruden is winning friends and influencing people in the home office?  

 

Why were his and only his emails leaked? You can choose to believe because this is part of a broader culture war and the NFL is hell bent on getting rid of racists, misogynists, and homophobes but promoting the same ideas during half-time shows or you can believe that he spat in the face off all the wrong people and that has consequences.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jon-gruden-emails-resigns-raiders-coach/1f7nbdnxccjat1momv1xkg9bpp

 

As for the Tampa thing:

 

 

Sounds like Gruden and the Glazers have a great relationship.  I can't imagine why the team owner might seize a moment where Gruden has fallen from grace with fans to spite him.

 

The big winner once again is Dan Snyder who has managed to avoid most of the scrutiny as the lede has been buried.  He didn't even have to change the team name to do it this time.

You are something else... he "resigned," aka please leave quietly and we will pay you. Note the quotes.

Still waiting on how you are squaring this with the NFL hiring a bunch of vile misogynists  for halftime at the Super Bowl.
 

[Jauronimo]

22 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

You're right about your three points here.  I'd speculate that he resigned because he could get some $$ out of the Raiders on his way out the door.

 

And someone in the NFL leaked the emails.  Emails that were never leaked for 7 to 10 years by anyone else.  Emails culled from hundreds of thousands of emails.  Emails leaked to hold up Gruden as an example of the type of culture that the NFL can't abide. 

 

Yes, Gruden comes off as the biggest ass on all of Football.  And yes, the NFL took this moment to slam him.  They couldn't slam him for being an ass.  They had to use "culture" as their excuse.  The NFL leaker knew exactly where this would lead.  When the first racist email didn't do the trick, they released more which were homophobic and anti-women.  They're selectively using "culture" to get rid of an unwanted jackass and looking the other way on the halftime show content.  They probably either didn't think it through, or they're okay with the double-standard.  Either way, it is a double-standard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its a double standard we are all guilty of if we listen to rock, rap, metal, or pop and listen to stand up or watch crude movies, play video games.  How can we stand against misogyny and sexism and appreciate a decent beat?

[Ann]

 

 

https://twitter.com/PGutierrezESPN/status/1448337698024947714