Hollywood on Strike... er, maybe not.

[Deranged Rhino]

Didn't want to clutter up the Josh Allen thread where the OP resides (and for some reason I couldn't quote that thread to start a new thread here?) - but just an update on the IATSE strike which was averted at the 11th hour on Friday night. 

 

It will take a few weeks for the union members to officially vote on and ratify the deal, and of course many in the union upon hearing the news (especially the younger ones) are now trying to nuke the deal. They literally got everything they (the unions) negotiated for - but now they want more because ... (you can fill in the bank). They got increased wages for streaming (key, awaiting details), an increase in turnaround and holiday/weekend breaks, a new holiday (MLK day), diversity training requirements, and a retroactive 3% per year cost of living bump. 

 

And now people are pissed the union didn't "ask for more". 🤷‍♂️

 

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-deal-backlash-nothing-changed-1235091286/#recipient_hashed=28f3849d283034b20d917b098ec916a8286ee474b6e2eeec37d1940e46f9b10e

[Deranged Rhino]

OP from the other thread: 

On 10/14/2021 at 10:43 AM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

* Apologies for the hijack, just answering the question but I'll minimize it for the thread... 

 

[spoiler]

As Tom said above, the IATSE strike (which starts Monday and encompasses all the crews and teamsters -- and the animation guild for some reason) is largely about working conditions on top of health and pension plan shenanigans. The union has done a good job getting the word out on social media about the working conditions, basically chronicling how many people are being forced to work 14 hour days (12 is supposed to be max, with guaranteed 12 hour turnaround), not getting enough sleep as a result, then having accidents on the road or on the job. It's been made worse because the standards/rules for "new media" (anything not on a network now, which is everything) are lower, thus studios have been exploiting this (paying less for more work). So that's the big headline grievance, "people are dying!", which they are. But I have a lot of thoughts on that element. 

 

The one that really gets in my craw, and why I'm in support of these moves and the upcoming ones, is that the studios are also trying to raise the minimum required hours to qualify for Health and Pension plans from 400 hours to 1000. That would mean that no free lance crew, teamster, animator, writer (in animation) would ever be able to qualify for benefits. And most of those workers are free-lance by the very nature of the job (they go from show to show, sometimes they are there for years but usually it's week by week). 

 

But at the root of it all is the definition of "new media". That's what's going to drive the other unions to (likely) strike in solidarity or on their own in the coming weeks/months. Everyone is watching streaming content now, very few are watching networks or even cable outlets. This has been trending in that direction since the last big strike in 2007, but Covid times accelerated the streaming take over of TV/Entertainment. Now everything is made on streaming first. Which means "new media" isn't new, it's STANDARD media. But the rates for anything on new media (from directors, to writers, to crew) are 1/4th what they are on "old" media. The studios are saving BUNDLES by cutting rates this way, and claiming poverty while doing so. 

 

Now you have a bunch of different unions (not the Producers Guild, SAG, or the DGA because they don't give two shits) who work largely behind the camera are seeing this as a moment to take a shot to re-adjust all those terms and definitions. I support the fight, but I fear (deeply) the unintended consequences that are sure to come on the back of any new deal. Just like how the strike in 2007 "fixed" things for the top level writers/directors/producers while destroying the livelihoods of the middle class writers/directors/producers, I fear the same thing will happen all over again. The unions will take a hard line on things that (to me) are never going to happen, only to get a compromise that will still benefit the studios and top 10% of industry people, while shrinking the opportunities for the rest. 

 

There's a lot of pieces in the air, but so far vaccine mandates haven't been a part of it. Work from home has (for writers), but no one cares about us. Not even our own unions. 

 

[/spoiler]

 

[4merper4mer]

On 10/17/2021 at 8:26 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

Didn't want to clutter up the Josh Allen thread where the OP resides (and for some reason I couldn't quote that thread to start a new thread here?) - but just an update on the IATSE strike which was averted at the 11th hour on Friday night. 

 

It will take a few weeks for the union members to officially vote on and ratify the deal, and of course many in the union upon hearing the news (especially the younger ones) are now trying to nuke the deal. They literally got everything they (the unions) negotiated for - but now they want more because ... (you can fill in the bank). They got increased wages for streaming (key, awaiting details), an increase in turnaround and holiday/weekend breaks, a new holiday (MLK day), diversity training requirements, and a retroactive 3% per year cost of living bump. 

 

And now people are pissed the union didn't "ask for more". 🤷‍♂️

 

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-deal-backlash-nothing-changed-1235091286/#recipient_hashed=28f3849d283034b20d917b098ec916a8286ee474b6e2eeec37d1940e46f9b10e

Hollywood has gone downhill overall but the names of shows seem to be more accurate.  See: Debris

[NCBillsFan]

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

9 hours ago, NCBillsFan said:

 

 

IATSE is blaming non-union labor on-set for loading a live round in to the gun.  Despite investigators telling them that hasn't been determined yet.

[GG1]

1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

IATSE is blaming non-union labor on-set for loading a live round in to the gun.  Despite investigators telling them that hasn't been determined yet.

 

Wouldn't it be kind of obvious if there was a live round and there would be a lot more talk about it if it was? 

 

And if it's a western, the gun isn't auto or semiautomatic, so would be hard to hit two people with one trigger pull.

[Foxx]

Sad situation no doubt but, that it is Adam Baldwin involved just doesn't seem all that surprising.

[Koko]

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Sad situation no doubt but, that it is Adam Baldwin involved just doesn't seem all that surprising.

 

I'm sure it would be surprising to him, considering it was Alec Baldwin who shot the people.

[Foxx]

12 minutes ago, Koko said:

 

I'm sure it would be surprising to him, considering it was Alec Baldwin who shot the people.

[Billsandhorns]

1 hour ago, GG1 said:

 

Wouldn't it be kind of obvious if there was a live round and there would be a lot more talk about it if it was? 

 

And if it's a western, the gun isn't auto or semiautomatic, so would be hard to hit two people with one trigger pull.

According to reports the round went through one person and struck the other

[GG1]

1 hour ago, Billsandhorns said:

According to reports the round went through one person and struck the other

Update from the warrant. 

 

They're investigating the possibility that it was a live round that went through the cinematographer and into the director who was behind her. 

[Billsandhorns]

15 minutes ago, GG1 said:

Update from the warrant. 

 

They're investigating the possibility that it was a live round that went through the cinematographer and into the director who was behind her. 

And that prop had already mis-fired 3 times previous. The camrea crew walked off because of safety concerns

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

Wonderful reporting from the LA Times:

 

Quote

The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production.. [...]

Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. 

 

Got that?  Baldwin didn't fire the gun, he merely unholstered it, and the ammunition "flew" out of it. 

[devnull]

On 10/22/2021 at 5:36 PM, Foxx said:

Sad situation no doubt but, that it is Adam Baldwin involved just doesn't seem all that surprising.

 

On 10/22/2021 at 5:41 PM, Koko said:

 

I'm sure it would be surprising to him, considering it was Alec Baldwin who shot the people.

 

Adam Baldwin:

Animal Mother

Jane Cobb

Took over Gunny Time after the death of R Lee Ermy

Epic Internet Troll

 

Alec Baldwin:

Epic douche

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

33 minutes ago, devnull said:

 

 

Adam Baldwin:

Animal Mother

Jane Cobb

Took over Gunny Time after the death of R Lee Ermy

Epic Internet Troll

 

Alec Baldwin:

Epic douche

 

Someday, maybe Alec gets to go to the crappy little planet where he's a hero.

[Spartacus]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/corners-were-being-cut-baldwin-shooting-already-has-makings-blockbuster-tort-action

 

The fatal shooting at Bonanza Creek Ranch already has the makings of a blockbuster tort action. Within 24 hours of actor Alec Baldwin fatally shooting cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding the director, witnesses have raised serious questions of negligent and unsafe practice on the site for the low-budget film, “Rust.”

 

The question is not whether but when the first torts lawsuit will be filed.  There has already been speculation on the civil and criminal liability in the case, so it may be useful to explore what we know and what it might mean for the likely litigation ahead

 

There were as many as three prior accidental discharges of weapons on the set.

[Fansince88]

Too soon?

[B-Man]

 

 

This is the MILDEST one that I could post, there are some brutal ones out there.

 

 

[devnull]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

This is the MILDEST one that I could post, there are some brutal ones out there.

 

 

 

Maybe he was studying for a future performance as Dick Cheney?

[Koko]

Rust armorer makes statement

 

Sheriff calls 'bullshit'