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Crap Throwing Clavin
2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

OK.  It was what "woke" at its best CLAIMS to strive for.

 

Though it was seeing the good in individuals & the hardships they had to battle through rather than blanketly viewing everyone in a particular group as being the same.  So, in that regard, it wasn't woke at all. 

 

It was quite a bit on the progressive end of things when it aired.  (My how that has changed.)

 

Sam Beckett, at least once, jumped in to a woman's body.  Nowadays, that's forbidden, because it would be a white male appropriating a woman's experience of oppression, and appropriating the trans' experience of cross-dressing.  

 

You literally couldn't remake the show under woke rules.  Thus...completely different woke show.  

 

And what a complete waste of time.  I expect storylines of the sort of a character jumping into a gay man's body in the Stonewall riots and heroically suffering in ways that make the LGBT viewing community feel good about themselves, instead of having a character actually learn or experience something material.   

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Jabba The Hutt
On 5/18/2022 at 5:16 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Is it time yet to pitch my non-woke Red Storm Rising treatment?

 

On 5/18/2022 at 7:03 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Getting closer by the day. 

 

 

On 5/19/2022 at 11:41 AM, Ann said:


I so wanted to see Dr Strange. The timing didn't work, then the reviews (from real people) came in and I wasn't sorry to have missed it. I am cautiously hopeful for Thor 4 - how bad can it really be? Even if it is total crap I get to stare at Chris Hemsworth for two hours (it helps that I like the GOTG crew).  

I've got a real good pitch for them right now... Brokeback Mountain 2- Dude Ranch: Help Me Pitch My Tent :classic_love:

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

The reboot of Quantum Leap is sounding like a steaming pile of woke garbage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just sad watching that. 

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55 minutes ago, Jabba The Hutt said:

 

 

I've got a real good pitch for them right now... Brokeback Mountain 2- Dude Ranch: Help Me Pitch My Tent :classic_love:

 

DR knows, I've been toying with a Red Storm Rising (the Clancy novel) treatment for a while now.  I have what I think is an interesting vision for it - I've always been rather dismayed at American culture's obsession and saturation with a sanitized view of warfare.  I wanted to subvert that.  Start out portraying war as the sanitized idea that permeates American culture, then when the viewer is hooked by the usual spectacle, turn that portrayal in to the sheer horror that war really is, using the main characters as the vehicle for that transformation.

 

Basically, take Vince Gilligan's principle behind Breaking Bad - take Mr. Chips and turn him in to Scarface, and force the viewer to acknowledge that the protagonist they're rooting for is fundamentally a bad person - and apply that to a war drama and themes.  Not overtly anti-war, like MASH.  But anti-war in the sense of being more brutally honest about it than most media.

 

I pretty much dropped it, because it would require great attention to detail to achieve the immersion and suspension of disbelief of the viewer to pull it off.  And when Hollywood shifted woke, that attention to detail became impossible - for example, I'd have to have not just a gay or trans character in the story, but an openly gay or trans character promoting an overt message of how difficult it is to be openly gay or trans during a war...which would completely destroy the sense of immersion my vision would require.  You couldn't even cast my vision of it - you'd need to cast a gay couple separated when one goes to war, a trans submarine commander, and an Indian-American female one-legged tank gunner to check the boxes.  And they'd all have to be "magic" minorities, somehow saving the world.  None of which would support the immersion and attention to detail required to make it work.

 

It's not even that the social messaging is a problem - virtually any media you care to imagine carries some sort of social message.  Even Star Wars (the original, not Lucas' idiotic reissue) had a message of believing in something greater than yourself (aside from the very concept of "The Force," Han's journey from being a selfish bastard - when he shot first - to supporting the resistance, as the deus ex machina in the Battle of Yavin.  It's why Lucas' edit to Han not shooting first was so idiotic - it gutted that character arc at a stroke.) 

 

It's that nowadays the social messaging has to be specifically anti-oppression (or anti-climate change - something else to look forward to in the Quantum Leap remake), specifically overt (you can't imply, you must state), and specifically bludgeon the viewers over the head (because the point isn't to explore themes, but to make the viewer feel special.)  Trying to make the treatment I'd like to make of Red Storm Rising is completely pointless under those guidelines.  

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On 5/20/2022 at 1:58 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

DR knows, I've been toying with a Red Storm Rising (the Clancy novel) treatment for a while now.  I have what I think is an interesting vision for it - I've always been rather dismayed at American culture's obsession and saturation with a sanitized view of warfare.  I wanted to subvert that.  Start out portraying war as the sanitized idea that permeates American culture, then when the viewer is hooked by the usual spectacle, turn that portrayal in to the sheer horror that war really is, using the main characters as the vehicle for that transformation.

 

Basically, take Vince Gilligan's principle behind Breaking Bad - take Mr. Chips and turn him in to Scarface, and force the viewer to acknowledge that the protagonist they're rooting for is fundamentally a bad person - and apply that to a war drama and themes.  Not overtly anti-war, like MASH.  But anti-war in the sense of being more brutally honest about it than most media.

 

I pretty much dropped it, because it would require great attention to detail to achieve the immersion and suspension of disbelief of the viewer to pull it off.  And when Hollywood shifted woke, that attention to detail became impossible - for example, I'd have to have not just a gay or trans character in the story, but an openly gay or trans character promoting an overt message of how difficult it is to be openly gay or trans during a war...which would completely destroy the sense of immersion my vision would require.  You couldn't even cast my vision of it - you'd need to cast a gay couple separated when one goes to war, a trans submarine commander, and an Indian-American female one-legged tank gunner to check the boxes.  And they'd all have to be "magic" minorities, somehow saving the world.  None of which would support the immersion and attention to detail required to make it work.

 

It's not even that the social messaging is a problem - virtually any media you care to imagine carries some sort of social message.  Even Star Wars (the original, not Lucas' idiotic reissue) had a message of believing in something greater than yourself (aside from the very concept of "The Force," Han's journey from being a selfish bastard - when he shot first - to supporting the resistance, as the deus ex machina in the Battle of Yavin.  It's why Lucas' edit to Han not shooting first was so idiotic - it gutted that character arc at a stroke.) 

 

It's that nowadays the social messaging has to be specifically anti-oppression (or anti-climate change - something else to look forward to in the Quantum Leap remake), specifically overt (you can't imply, you must state), and specifically bludgeon the viewers over the head (because the point isn't to explore themes, but to make the viewer feel special.)  Trying to make the treatment I'd like to make of Red Storm Rising is completely pointless under those guidelines.  

Can you add a helicopter chase?

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20 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Can you add a helicopter chase?

 

 

No, no.......................hear me out,

 

 

 

a Biplane chase !

 

Let's cash in on that three year old  1917   momentum !

 

:classic_cool:

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21 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No, no.......................hear me out,

 

 

 

a Biplane chase !

 

Let's cash in on that three year old  1917   momentum !

 

:classic_cool:

 

A "Bi"plane?

 

Sounds like a story Disney or Netflix might want

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Crap Throwing Clavin
1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

Can you add a helicopter chase?

 

Of course.  Like I hadn't thought of that myself.

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Fansince88
1 hour ago, devnull said:

 

A "Bi"plane?

 

Sounds like a story Disney or Netflix might want

Jae jae the bi plane.

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Fansince88
48 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Of course.  Like I hadn't thought of that myself.

With good ole nostalgic music like this:

 

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Crap Throwing Clavin
19 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No, no.......................hear me out,

 

 

 

a Biplane chase !

 

Let's cash in on that three year old  1917   momentum !

 

:classic_cool:

 

It is set in the '80s...so how about helicopter vs. jet biplane?  

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On 5/20/2022 at 1:58 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

DR knows, I've been toying with a Red Storm Rising (the Clancy novel) treatment for a while now.  I have what I think is an interesting vision for it - I've always been rather dismayed at American culture's obsession and saturation with a sanitized view of warfare.  I wanted to subvert that.  Start out portraying war as the sanitized idea that permeates American culture, then when the viewer is hooked by the usual spectacle, turn that portrayal in to the sheer horror that war really is, using the main characters as the vehicle for that transformation.

 

Basically, take Vince Gilligan's principle behind Breaking Bad - take Mr. Chips and turn him in to Scarface, and force the viewer to acknowledge that the protagonist they're rooting for is fundamentally a bad person - and apply that to a war drama and themes.  Not overtly anti-war, like MASH.  But anti-war in the sense of being more brutally honest about it than most media.

 

I pretty much dropped it, because it would require great attention to detail to achieve the immersion and suspension of disbelief of the viewer to pull it off.  And when Hollywood shifted woke, that attention to detail became impossible - for example, I'd have to have not just a gay or trans character in the story, but an openly gay or trans character promoting an overt message of how difficult it is to be openly gay or trans during a war...which would completely destroy the sense of immersion my vision would require.  You couldn't even cast my vision of it - you'd need to cast a gay couple separated when one goes to war, a trans submarine commander, and an Indian-American female one-legged tank gunner to check the boxes.  And they'd all have to be "magic" minorities, somehow saving the world.  None of which would support the immersion and attention to detail required to make it work.

 

It's not even that the social messaging is a problem - virtually any media you care to imagine carries some sort of social message.  Even Star Wars (the original, not Lucas' idiotic reissue) had a message of believing in something greater than yourself (aside from the very concept of "The Force," Han's journey from being a selfish bastard - when he shot first - to supporting the resistance, as the deus ex machina in the Battle of Yavin.  It's why Lucas' edit to Han not shooting first was so idiotic - it gutted that character arc at a stroke.) 

 

It's that nowadays the social messaging has to be specifically anti-oppression (or anti-climate change - something else to look forward to in the Quantum Leap remake), specifically overt (you can't imply, you must state), and specifically bludgeon the viewers over the head (because the point isn't to explore themes, but to make the viewer feel special.)  Trying to make the treatment I'd like to make of Red Storm Rising is completely pointless under those guidelines.  

 

Your vision of Red Storm Rising reminds me of a movie called Salo that's been called one of the most disturbing movies ever made.  I haven't watched it, but the almost universal line on it is that it's hopelessness and brutality make it hard to watch. Apparently, the creator wasn't going for an Eli Roth style torture porn flick, but rather a display of the true horrors of violence as opposed to society's romanticized theatrical view of it.  I imagine it's not very entertaining, but the message is probably more important than anything you'd see in a modern Hollywood woke trash flick.

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1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

ESPN didn't necessarily lose 8 million subscribers.  Cable and satellite providers lost eight million subscribers. 

 

And how many of those eight million switched to a streaming service that includes ESPN?

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On 5/19/2022 at 8:33 AM, Joe Miner said:

 

I have a feeling he's going to really enjoy Thor 4 in a few months.

 

On 5/19/2022 at 11:41 AM, Ann said:


I so wanted to see Dr Strange. The timing didn't work, then the reviews (from real people) came in and I wasn't sorry to have missed it. I am cautiously hopeful for Thor 4 - how bad can it really be? Even if it is total crap I get to stare at Chris Hemsworth for two hours (it helps that I like the GOTG crew).  

 

I thought I read somewhere that Hemsworth was off with the Guardians to sample beers around the universe while chasing villains, and Natalie Portman was taking over the roll of Thor? :popcorn2:

 

Natalie Portman [as Thor] (Drawing by CarlosGzz003 @Instagram) #Thor ...

 

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44 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

 

I thought I read somewhere that Hemsworth was off with the Guardians to sample beers around the universe while chasing villains, and Natalie Portman was taking over the roll of Thor? :popcorn2:

 

Natalie Portman [as Thor] (Drawing by CarlosGzz003 @Instagram) #Thor ...

 


Looks like, which is weird because she appeared to hate her roll (and go through the motions) in the prior movies she was in.

 

 

 

 

 

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Crap Throwing Clavin
30 minutes ago, Ann said:


Looks like, which is weird because she appeared to hate her roll (and go through the motions) in the prior movies she was in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe it was more than just the role, but she also had problems with the director.  Apparently Taika Waititi talked her in to returning for this movie.

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7 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

I believe it was more than just the role, but she also had problems with the director.  Apparently Taika Waititi talked her in to returning for this movie.

 

I suspect George Washington helped...

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Crap Throwing Clavin
On 5/22/2022 at 3:59 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

It is set in the '80s...so how about helicopter vs. jet biplane?  

 

If anyone thought I was joking.  Jet biplane:

PZL_M-15_Belphegor_aircraft.jpg

 

The PLZ M-15 Belphegor.  Was actually less practical than it looks.

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On 5/24/2022 at 5:33 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

If anyone thought I was joking.  Jet biplane:

PZL_M-15_Belphegor_aircraft.jpg

 

The PLZ M-15 Belphegor.  Was actually less practical than it looks.

 

The horror.  The Eagle 5 is sexier than that thing:

 

Sold Price: Spaceballs Winnebago filming miniature model. - June 3, 0117  11:00 AM PDT

Sold Price: Spaceballs Winnebago filming miniature model. - June 3, 0117  11:00 AM PDT

 

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