Fansince88 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 5:10 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said: If that force enters the Sea of Azov, or approaches Kherson (on the lower Dnepr, where it would screen the flank of a thrust out of the Isthmus of Perekop towards Zaporozhye), consider that a war warning. Otherwise, this 'phib force is useless. Current Russian dispositions don't support a full invasion, but a limited incursion into eastern Ukraine towards Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and Kharkiv. And I'm sure Biden has been told that, which is why he was wishy-washy about responding to a "limited incursion" in his press conference. As most of us would say, where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Fansince88 said: As most of us would say, where? Check a map. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fansince88 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said: Check a map. LOL. I did actually. Just pointing out what most don't know. I was talking to a 2nd year University student a few weeks ago that had no clue what U.S.S.R was. Of course we have trained a generation to forget history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devnull Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Fansince88 said: LOL. I did actually. Just pointing out what most don't know. I was talking to a 2nd year University student a few weeks ago that had no clue what U.S.S.R was. Of course we have trained a generation to forget history. That's a feature, not a bug 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devnull Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/what-does-vladimir-putin-have-on-joe-biden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10279477/Ukraine-Russia-border-Satellite-images-reveal-Putins-troop-build-continues.html#:~:text=Satellite images reveal,Putin and Biden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 This isn't just about invading the Ukraine, BTW. Putin wants NATO forces pulled back to where they were in 1997 - basically, all NATO forces out of Eastern Europe/former Warsaw Pact countries; no NATO forces or bases east of Germany. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 23 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is another line of demarcation per what people in the business tell me. The US, more so than NATO at this point, seems convinced it's going down soon. Odd time to do it. Even with modern infrastructure, the Russians don't call the spring and fall the "time without roads" without reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Fansince88 said: LOL. I did actually. Just pointing out what most don't know. I was talking to a 2nd year University student a few weeks ago that had no clue what U.S.S.R was. Of course we have trained a generation to forget history. This, basically. As usual, al Jazeera shames US media coverage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devnull Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said: As usual, al Jazeera shames US media coverage. Thats because US media outlets are just marketing branches of the DNC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, devnull said: Thats because US media outlets are just marketing branches of the DNC Most of them. Fox is the RNC's marketing branch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsandhorns Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Most of them. Fox is the RNC's marketing branch. Not as much anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Billsandhorns said: Not as much anymore RNC is kinda torn between Trumpers & the Old Guard. Fox seems to lean Old Guard. Kind of like how MSNBC seems to be Loony Left & CNN is more Establishment DNC. Stinks that there are no "major" news organizations that don't root for a side. Would like the media to hold everyone's feet to the fire. Man, do we ever need another Tim Russert. He was a D, but he didn't just nod when a D tried to spread manure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsandhorns Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Taro T said: RNC is kinda torn between Trumpers & the Old Guard. Fox seems to lean Old Guard. Kind of like how MSNBC seems to be Loony Left & CNN is more Establishment DNC. Stinks that there are no "major" news organizations that don't root for a side. Would like the media to hold everyone's feet to the fire. Man, do we ever need another Tim Russert. He was a D, but he didn't just nod when a D tried to spread manure. Yeah, the days of more impartial news were nice 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devnull Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Taro T said: RNC is kinda torn between Trumpers & the Old Guard. Fox seems to lean Old Guard. Kind of like how MSNBC seems to be Loony Left & CNN is more Establishment DNC. Stinks that there are no "major" news organizations that don't root for a side. Would like the media to hold everyone's feet to the fire. Man, do we ever need another Tim Russert. He was a D, but he didn't just nod when a D tried to spread manure. As previously discussed, there's Al Jazeera. Which while they don't tend to root for either D or R, they do tend to lean towards Death to America 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 hours ago, devnull said: As previously discussed, there's Al Jazeera. Which while they don't tend to root for either D or R, they do tend to lean towards Death to America They don't even, really. They don't even lean "Death to Israel" too much. I'd suggest they're even less "Death to America" than Jacobin Magazine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 17 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said: This isn't just about invading the Ukraine, BTW. Putin wants NATO forces pulled back to where they were in 1997 - basically, all NATO forces out of Eastern Europe/former Warsaw Pact countries; no NATO forces or bases east of Germany. Funny part is though, Putin is playing them all and when he invades Ukraine he will use their non-compliance to his demands as the reason behind it. Speaking of which, could it be that Putin just wants the old USSR back together again? While it's not in the MSM, I'm seeing on "other sites" that some other countries in the former Soviet block are in blackouts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, Cinga said: Funny part is though, Putin is playing them all and when he invades Ukraine he will use their non-compliance to his demands as the reason behind it. Speaking of which, could it be that Putin just wants the old USSR back together again? While it's not in the MSM, I'm seeing on "other sites" that some other countries in the former Soviet block are in blackouts He may not invade. The US/NATO presence in Eastern Europe has always been controversial to both sides (witness the BMD debate from almost 20 years ago), and Russia in general (and Putin in particular) has not wanted western influence in what has historically been perceived as Russia's sphere of influence (going back to before the US was even formed. And he knows what he has in the Biden administration. An administration that, as likely as not, will give up basing rights in Eastern Europe (e.g. Aegis Ashore in Romania and Poland) for the chance to crow about "averting war." The Biden administration will happily take a "peace in our time" victory before the mid-terms, at the expense of NATO and Eastern Europe. Why do you think Putin waited this long to do this? Biden's predictable - he's the inheritor of an Obama foreign policy that saw Obama abandon his Syria policy (i.e. the "red line") in Russia's favor. Biden will blink first. Trump...who the hell knows what he would have done? Not given up Eastern Europe, for sure. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 32 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said: He may not invade. The US/NATO presence in Eastern Europe has always been controversial to both sides (witness the BMD debate from almost 20 years ago), and Russia in general (and Putin in particular) has not wanted western influence in what has historically been perceived as Russia's sphere of influence (going back to before the US was even formed. And he knows what he has in the Biden administration. An administration that, as likely as not, will give up basing rights in Eastern Europe (e.g. Aegis Ashore in Romania and Poland) for the chance to crow about "averting war." The Biden administration will happily take a "peace in our time" victory before the mid-terms, at the expense of NATO and Eastern Europe. Why do you think Putin waited this long to do this? Biden's predictable - he's the inheritor of an Obama foreign policy that saw Obama abandon his Syria policy (i.e. the "red line") in Russia's favor. Biden will blink first. Trump...who the hell knows what he would have done? Not given up Eastern Europe, for sure. So re-establishing the boundaries of the former Soviet Union without firing a shot. What a deal! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cinga said: So re-establishing the boundaries of the former Soviet Union without firing a shot. What a deal! Works for me. Im in the Tucker camp. Could not GIVE A ISHT LESS if the old Soviet states fall under Russian influence. And I certainly dont want to see Ukraine join NATO and see the US subject to Article 5 and having to defend them militarily one day in the future. I understand this is simplistic reasoning. But I can see NYC if I climb on my roof and Id rather not see a few mushroom clouds over it one day because we had to go fight for F-ing Ukraine. This is not the UK. This is not Germany. This is Ukraine. A country that had been under the Russian "sphere of influence" for hundreds of years (and STILL is culturally...they are all Slavs) until about five minutes ago. Im sure the much smarter here (i.e. all of you) can provide a better analysis of the situation. Edited January 26, 2022 by RkFast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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