The Swamp - Will It Ever Be Drained?

[Foxx]

Just more bread and circuses for the (m)asses(?).

 

Not likely in our time.

 

 

GOP Rep. Madison Cawthorn launches campaign to impose term limits on Congress: 'Drain the swamp'

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EXCLUSIVE: The youngest member of Congress Tuesday launched what he hopes will be a nationwide campaign to impose term limits on members of the House and Senate, saying it's time to "drain the swamp" in Washington. 

 

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., told Fox News Digital in an exclusive interview Tuesday that he's introducing legislation to limit the time in office to six terms for House members and two terms for senators — for a total of 12 years each. 

 

Cawthorn, 26, said 12 years is a "reasonable amount of time" to learn the ropes, gain allies and make an impact.

 

"If you're not able to accomplish your goals in over a decade, I really don't want you to represent me anyway," he told Fox News Digital. 

 

Imposing term limits on Congress is a heavy lift, since it takes a constitutional amendment. Cawthorn's legislation would have to be approved by a two-thirds majority in the House and in the Senate. It then has to be ratified by three-fourths of the states, or 38 states. ...

 

[Taro T]

6 hours ago, Foxx said:

Just more bread and circuses for the (m)asses(?).

 

Not likely in our time.

 

 

GOP Rep. Madison Cawthorn launches campaign to impose term limits on Congress: 'Drain the swamp'

 

 

Problem is, even if it could ever pass, it would actually likely make things even worse as now the ONLY lifers in DC would be unelected staffers [AND EXECUTIVE BRANCHERS] & paid lobbyists.

 

Now, if there were a way to legally & constitutionally limit those peoples time in DC, am all for it & would likely hop on the term limits for congress critters bandwagon as well.

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1491455637770801152

 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Problem is, even if it could ever pass, it would actually likely make things even worse as now the lifers in DC would be unelected staffers & paid lobbyists.

 

Now, if there were a way to legally & constitutionally limit those peoples time in DC, am all for it & would likely hop on the term limits for congress critters bandwagon as well.

As it is, it would take a constitutional amendment to limit terms. If it ever got that far, hopefully they would add the limitation for critters in all capacities as well.

[Taro T]

18 minutes ago, Foxx said:

As it is, it would take a constitutional amendment to limit terms. If it ever got that far, hopefully they would add the limitation for critters in all capacities as well.

 

Personally, would like to see limits to Swamp creature residence in the Swamp 1st & if that still doesn't cure things then go the Constitutional amendment route.

 

Expect the changes necessary to fix things wouldn't need to be so drastic but would take a will that congress critters simply don't have.

 

Bring more of their activities into sunlight & stuff would get better.

 

And, find away to ACTUALLY cause these critters to be shamed when they actually don't act in their constituents' best interests.  The WORST thing to come out of the Clinton era IMHO is politicians learned that is IS possible to just stand their ground when caught red handed doing something wrong rather than slink away like they'd by in large had done prior to 42 being in office.  (And won't drag this further off-topic by getting into a discussion of whether that was due more to 42 being a narcissistic putz or Gingrich being the horse's arse that pulled more mundane transgressions from out of the shadows setting 42 up to withstand minor crises so why not use the same tactics to withstand major crises.) 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

Problem is, even if it could ever pass, it would actually likely make things even worse as now the lifers in DC would be unelected staffers & paid lobbyists.

 

Now, if there were a way to legally & constitutionally limit those peoples time in DC, am all for it & would likely hop on the term limits for congress critters bandwagon as well.

 

The lifers are already unelected staffers and paid lobbyists.  Take a look at some of the senior legislative staff and their bios and resumes.  They bounce from legislator to legislator throughout their careers, with occasional forays into the K Street lobbying world.

 

Again: when you talk about the "Deep State," that's what it really is: the life-long civil servants.

[devnull]

Term limits for House and Senate only affects swamp creatures above the surface

 

In order to drain the swamp, we need to limit the time that career bureaucrats like Fauci, Brennan, Comey, etc spend below the surface regulating the deep state

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

The lifers are already unelected staffers and paid lobbyists.  Take a look at some of the senior legislative staff and their bios and resumes.  They bounce from legislator to legislator throughout their careers, with occasional forays into the K Street lobbying world.

 

Again: when you talk about the "Deep State," that's what it really is: the life-long civil servants.

 

Didn't mean to imply that they aren't already lifers.  Meant to point out that the ONLY lifers would be those people as now there wouldn't be any elected officials that had anywhere close to their tenures.  (Poorly worded by yours truly in the OP.)  And that would IMHO exacerbate the problem.

[Ann]

6 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

Problem is, even if it could ever pass, it would actually likely make things even worse as now the lifers in DC would be unelected staffers & paid lobbyists.

 

Now, if there were a way to legally & constitutionally limit those peoples time in DC, am all for it & would likely hop on the term limits for congress critters bandwagon as well.

The lifers are now the bureaucrats, and they are the actual swamp.

[Taro T]

7 minutes ago, Ann said:

The lifers are now the bureaucrats, and they are the actual swamp.

Agree.  See post right above yours for reply to CRM making a similar point.  Edited original post as well.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

29 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Agree.  See post right above yours for reply to CRM making a similar point.  Edited original post as well.

 

CRM?  What the &#%$ do you think I am?  A Crap Retaining Monkey? 

[Taro T]

14 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

CRM?  What the &#%$ do you think I am?  A Crap Retaining Monkey? 

 

Oooooops.

 

But, you know, come to think of it ...

 

[Spartacus]

19 hours ago, Foxx said:

https://twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1491455637770801152

 

the only way to drain the swamp is to eliminate the channels for passing graft, bribes and kickbacks to all DC critters.

this would include stock trading, "consulting" payments, campaign contributions, pallets of cash, etc

 

good luck with that 

[Koko]

14 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

CRM?  What the &#%$ do you think I am?  A Crap Retaining Monkey? 

 

 

[Foxx]

Quick, act surprised.

 

Senators: CIA has secret program that collects American data

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA has a secret, undisclosed data repository that includes information collected about Americans, two Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee said. While neither the agency nor lawmakers would disclose specifics about the data, the senators alleged the CIA had long hidden details about the program from the public and Congress.

 

Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Martin Heinrich of New Mexico sent a letter to top intelligence officials calling for more details about the program to be declassified. Large parts of the letter, which was sent in April 2021 and declassified Thursday, and documents released by the CIA were blacked out. Wyden and Heinrich said the program operated “outside the statutory framework that Congress and the public believe govern this collection.” ...

 

[Foxx]

^^^^

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

Quick, act surprised.

 

Senators: CIA has secret program that collects American data

 

 

Of course they do.  Ever since 2001.

[Foxx]

This should be alarming to you if you use social media.

 

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1492505122508836865

 

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1492602730568765442