Jump to content

At what point do you humbly re-evaluate your long-standing views?


GG1
 Share

Recommended Posts

Especially when after years of proclamations don’t come to fruition?

 

Is it after zero evidence of election fraud, despite investigations finding nothing even by friendly sources?

 

Is it after following every word of an administration “insider,” only to find out it was a pig farmer in the Philippines with ties to US intel?

 

Or is it after resorting to mental gymnastics to attribute an unprovoked invasion by a deranged, diminutive man with an inferiority complex to some shadowy global cabal?

 

Haven’t been by in a while, but a few days of lurking here, underscore my decision to walk away. 

 

Many of you are coocoo for believing that the Ukraine invasion is something more than the latest attempt by the megalomaniac wannabe to re-establish the USSR.  It’s not like Putin hasn’t telegraphed his intentions ever since he popped of out nowhere to knee cap Yeltsin.  How many of you even knew Ukraine existed and where it sits other than in a Seinfeld episode?

 

Putin doesn’t care about NATO on his doorstep.  He’s had NATO on his doorstep for his entire life, including nasty foes who could easily block the entire Russian fleet from Europe.  And only now he decided that Ukraine is a bridge too far?  Bullshit.  The man who blows up and gasses his own people is not a kind-hearted savior of his own kind.

 

He wants to avenge the slight that USSR was dealt when Gorbachev admitted defeat (Sound familiar?)  He’s continuing Peter The Great’s inferiority complex of not being taken seriously by the West, despite wanting to fit in as the new cool kid.

 

All the pictures you are pulling out of every Western official siding next to him is the typical diplomatic ruse thinking that maybe this time, he’ll live within human norms.   Guess again.

 

If Putin wants to be honest about the Slavs’ historic cultural and regional ties, then he would have to admit that neither Russia nor Ukraine have historic claims to the Black Sea.  Catherine the Great got the lands only after the Ottomans’ fall.

 

If Putin thinks that Ukrainians are being ingrates, he should know that the Soviet Revolution wouldn’t have worked without Ukrainians pulling out of czarist support.  He would know that Ukraine was the first region to declare independence in 2017, and stayed out of the fighting among the Russians, when everyone knew that if they entered the fight, they would slaughter the sloppy & unorganized Soviets. 

 

In his effort to rehabilitate Stalin, Putin ignores the millions of Ukrainians that Uncle Joe starved to death.  Maybe Putin has a bee in his bonnet about Ukraine, because they welcomed the Germans and Romanians as liberators in 1941.   Imagine that in today’s news cycle.  Perhaps that’s why it’s so easy to paint the Ukrainians as neo-Nazis, despite electing a Jewish president, or ignoring the fact that most orthodox Jews returning east were to Ukraine, and not to Russia.

 

And it’s obvious that none of you know the full history of the region, if you are calling the events in 2014 as a Western coup.  Because for that to be true, you have to be wholly ignorant of what Putin did in Ukraine for a decade prior for that “coup” to come about in the first place.  Why is 2014 the magic date, and not the two decades preceding it?   You are also ignorant of everything Putin has done since.  People played nice with him, thinking he’d only need to conquer Georgia, Crimea, and maybe the separatist Ukrainian areas in a “minor incursion.”   

 

How Chamberlainian of you.

 

At the end of the day, Putin made a great miscalculation thinking that he could steam roll Ukraine without serious opposition.  He gambled correctly that the West would not immediately respond.  But he didn’t count on is the lack of will and preparedness of his forces to face a smaller, but a much more determined opponent fighting to protect its turf. 

 

Good luck carrying out an invasion and occupation with young kids who want no part of being in that convoy, who will need to start killing women and children on TV.  Good luck maintaining support at home when the rouble crashes and the real exchange rate is 3x of the official rate. 

 

Welcome back to the Soviet life again, folks.  But this time, many more people have something to lose, and they won’t part with it if it means supporting Putin.

 

If you can’t see this plain truth that’s right in front of you, then there’s no hope for you to see reality.

 

So long.

  • Like 5
  • FANtastic 2
  • Cheers 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Spartacus
8 minutes ago, GG1 said:

At what point do you humbly re-evaluate your long-standing views?

 

Especially when after years of proclamations don’t come to fruition?

 

 

does this include you conceding that you were wrong on every aspect of the pandemic?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, GG1 said:

Is it after zero evidence of election fraud, despite investigations finding nothing even by friendly sources?

 


"Zero evidence of election fraud!?" :classic_blink:


Here's a few I could find. There are a ton more, just do not try and use Google to search for results.

Wisconsin:


Office of special counsel report

 

 

OSC learned that all machines in Green Bay were ESS machines and were connected to a secret, hidden Wi-Fi access point at the Grand Hyatt hotel, which was the location used by the City of Green Bay on the day of the 2020 Presidential election. The OSC discovered the Wi-Fi, machines, and ballots were controlled by a single individual who was not a government employee but an agent of a special interest group operating in Wisconsin.



Thread:
 


Thread:
 



....
 




Arizona: If you can find the hearing, well worth the trouble. Arizona had a ton of election fraud and it was laid out there. Voter ID will now be on the ballot for November. (Kinda funny)


Thread
 


...
 


Pennsylvannia:

Court ruling puts mail-in voting on hold in Pennsylvania

 

Friday's Commonwealth Court opinion declares Act 77 of 2019 unconstitutional, though an appeal is expected by the Department of State.
 

</snip>


According to a Commonwealth Court filing released Friday, the court ruled that Act 77, allowing residents to vote by mail in Pennsylvania, violates Article VII, Section 1 of the Pennsylvania constitution.
 

The Commonwealth Court denied the Pa. Department of State acting secretary's application for summary relief.


</snip>
 

Exclusive: Systemic Voting Issues In Pennsylvania County Even More Extensive Than Previously Known
 

The video (and audio) hits just keep on coming from Delaware County, Pennsylvania, where a whistleblower secretly taped the aftermath of the chaos from the 2020 presidential election. Two recent recordings exclusively obtained by The Federalist from a source with knowledge of the recordings provide further evidence that systemic problems plague the large Pennsylvania county.
 

The newest recordings provide some of the frankest discussion on how bad the behind-the-scenes situation was, with one election worker describing a part of the post-election situation as “abominable” and the attempt to do the impossible—reconcile some precincts’ voter sheets—as “a nightmare.”
 

</snip>



Georgia:

...
 


...
 


 

  • Love 1
  • Cheers 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bravo @GG1

I figured you left, and I figured this Russian war would have you back -- if just temporarily.

GO BILLS!

 

  • Cheers 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Crap Throwing Clavin
46 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

If Putin wants to be honest about the Slavs’ historic cultural and regional ties, then he would have to admit that neither Russia nor Ukraine have historic claims to the Black Sea.  Catherine the Great got the lands only after the Ottomans’ fall.

 

 

Ottomans took the north coast of the Black Sea from the Tartars (Golden Horde, Crimean Khanate).  Before that, it was part of the Kievan Rus', so arguably Ukrainian.  

 

Before that...Byzantine, Roman, Scythian.  Go back far enough, and it's Greek - hell, Feodosia (Феодосия) is a Cyrillicization of the Greek "Theodosia" (Θεοδοσία), founded in the 6th century BC.  Should the Greeks get Crimea back?

 

No, of course not.  I'm not seriously suggesting that...just pointing out that the "We were here first" argument for territorial rights is fraught with historical complexities.  Ukraine, through the Kievan Rus', has as much claim to the Black Sea coast as Russia through Catherine the Great, or Hungary...or Outer Mongolia, for that matter, given that the Crimea is, due to centuries of occupation by Tartars, as culturally attuned to the steppe Mongols as they are to Russia.

 

58 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

 

Putin doesn’t care about NATO on his doorstep.  He’s had NATO on his doorstep for his entire life, including nasty foes who could easily block the entire Russian fleet from Europe.  And only now he decided that Ukraine is a bridge too far?  Bullshit.  The man who blows up and gasses his own people is not a kind-hearted savior of his own kind.

 

 

He does care.  He's been bitching about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe for more than two decades now.  It was in the Western press widely when Bush the Younger was deploying ABMs to Eastern Europe, some 20 years ago.  And the policy even predates Putin's rise to power, going back to the Yeltsin era.  Plenty of good writing from that era (back when the Western media still reported rather than editorialized.)  Here's a good summary of the Russian position back in the '90s, starting on page 16: https://www.nato.int/acad/fellow/99-01/stadtmuller.pdf

 

But Putin really only cares for the reason you stated: he wants to reestablish the USSR's old boundaries and sphere of influence for Russia.  And a NATO presence in Eastern Europe and the Baltic States is in his way.  

  • Like 2
  • Cheers 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

devnull

I had one of those moments several years ago

 

I remember when I was a kid, I watched The Godfather and thought it was way too long and boring. 

 

Then when I was 20ish I watched it again and caught myself asking why I didn't like it before.  Freaking cinematic masterpiece.

  • Cheers 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nouseforaname
1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

The real question...what does GG1 mean?


Gordon gekko

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Deranged Rhino

Every day. The only thing I know for certain is that I don't know everything.

  • Like 1
  • Cheers 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, GG1 said:

Especially when after years of proclamations don’t come to fruition?

 

Is it after zero evidence of election fraud, despite investigations finding nothing even by friendly sources?

 

Is it after following every word of an administration “insider,” only to find out it was a pig farmer in the Philippines with ties to US intel?

 

Or is it after resorting to mental gymnastics to attribute an unprovoked invasion by a deranged, diminutive man with an inferiority complex to some shadowy global cabal?

 

Haven’t been by in a while, but a few days of lurking here, underscore my decision to walk away. 

 

Many of you are coocoo for believing that the Ukraine invasion is something more than the latest attempt by the megalomaniac wannabe to re-establish the USSR.  It’s not like Putin hasn’t telegraphed his intentions ever since he popped of out nowhere to knee cap Yeltsin.  How many of you even knew Ukraine existed and where it sits other than in a Seinfeld episode?

 

Putin doesn’t care about NATO on his doorstep.  He’s had NATO on his doorstep for his entire life, including nasty foes who could easily block the entire Russian fleet from Europe.  And only now he decided that Ukraine is a bridge too far?  Bullshit.  The man who blows up and gasses his own people is not a kind-hearted savior of his own kind.

 

He wants to avenge the slight that USSR was dealt when Gorbachev admitted defeat (Sound familiar?)  He’s continuing Peter The Great’s inferiority complex of not being taken seriously by the West, despite wanting to fit in as the new cool kid.

 

All the pictures you are pulling out of every Western official siding next to him is the typical diplomatic ruse thinking that maybe this time, he’ll live within human norms.   Guess again.

 

If Putin wants to be honest about the Slavs’ historic cultural and regional ties, then he would have to admit that neither Russia nor Ukraine have historic claims to the Black Sea.  Catherine the Great got the lands only after the Ottomans’ fall.

 

If Putin thinks that Ukrainians are being ingrates, he should know that the Soviet Revolution wouldn’t have worked without Ukrainians pulling out of czarist support.  He would know that Ukraine was the first region to declare independence in 2017, and stayed out of the fighting among the Russians, when everyone knew that if they entered the fight, they would slaughter the sloppy & unorganized Soviets. 

 

In his effort to rehabilitate Stalin, Putin ignores the millions of Ukrainians that Uncle Joe starved to death.  Maybe Putin has a bee in his bonnet about Ukraine, because they welcomed the Germans and Romanians as liberators in 1941.   Imagine that in today’s news cycle.  Perhaps that’s why it’s so easy to paint the Ukrainians as neo-Nazis, despite electing a Jewish president, or ignoring the fact that most orthodox Jews returning east were to Ukraine, and not to Russia.

 

And it’s obvious that none of you know the full history of the region, if you are calling the events in 2014 as a Western coup.  Because for that to be true, you have to be wholly ignorant of what Putin did in Ukraine for a decade prior for that “coup” to come about in the first place.  Why is 2014 the magic date, and not the two decades preceding it?   You are also ignorant of everything Putin has done since.  People played nice with him, thinking he’d only need to conquer Georgia, Crimea, and maybe the separatist Ukrainian areas in a “minor incursion.”   

 

How Chamberlainian of you.

 

At the end of the day, Putin made a great miscalculation thinking that he could steam roll Ukraine without serious opposition.  He gambled correctly that the West would not immediately respond.  But he didn’t count on is the lack of will and preparedness of his forces to face a smaller, but a much more determined opponent fighting to protect its turf. 

 

Good luck carrying out an invasion and occupation with young kids who want no part of being in that convoy, who will need to start killing women and children on TV.  Good luck maintaining support at home when the rouble crashes and the real exchange rate is 3x of the official rate. 

 

Welcome back to the Soviet life again, folks.  But this time, many more people have something to lose, and they won’t part with it if it means supporting Putin.

 

If you can’t see this plain truth that’s right in front of you, then there’s no hope for you to see reality.

 

So long.

 

Needed to be said, TBH.

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stay around, bud. Hope to see you at a game in the future. Won't be at the home opener this year. First one I'll miss in like 10 years. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nouseforaname
1 hour ago, Joe said:

 

Needed to be said, TBH.

 

 


Yes.  I’ve been reading some of the posts in other threads.  My favorite is one of the resident geniuses proclaiming that Russia is trying to liberate Ukraine from the globalists.

 

&#%$ this.  ATOP wasn’t perfect but something like that wouldn’t slide. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Meazza said:


Yes.  I’ve been reading some of the posts in other threads.  My favorite is one of the resident geniuses proclaiming that Russia is trying to liberate Ukraine from the globalists.

 

&#%$ this.  ATOP wasn’t perfect but something like that wouldn’t slide. 

That's the problem with going deep down the rabbit hole. You lose all sense of perspective.

 

  • Cheers 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Glad to see that your absence wasn't health or family related. We'll miss your well thought out perspective.

 

Best wishes to you and yours, @GG1

 

P.S. Pop back in to celebrate when Wrong Josh brings home the Lombardi next year.

Edited by LB3
  • Like 4
  • Cheers 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4merper4mer

@GG1  I will reevaluate everything on the 12th.  Before that, it would restore my faith in humanity’s ability to learn if everyone else admitted that intelligent aliens do not exist. 
 

IMO you are correct about Putin but ascribe too many positive attributes to other actors.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fansince88
On 3/2/2022 at 4:41 PM, GG1 said:

Especially when after years of proclamations don’t come to fruition?

 

Is it after zero evidence of election fraud, despite investigations finding nothing even by friendly sources?

 

Is it after following every word of an administration “insider,” only to find out it was a pig farmer in the Philippines with ties to US intel?

 

Or is it after resorting to mental gymnastics to attribute an unprovoked invasion by a deranged, diminutive man with an inferiority complex to some shadowy global cabal?

 

Haven’t been by in a while, but a few days of lurking here, underscore my decision to walk away. 

 

Many of you are coocoo for believing that the Ukraine invasion is something more than the latest attempt by the megalomaniac wannabe to re-establish the USSR.  It’s not like Putin hasn’t telegraphed his intentions ever since he popped of out nowhere to knee cap Yeltsin.  How many of you even knew Ukraine existed and where it sits other than in a Seinfeld episode?

 

Putin doesn’t care about NATO on his doorstep.  He’s had NATO on his doorstep for his entire life, including nasty foes who could easily block the entire Russian fleet from Europe.  And only now he decided that Ukraine is a bridge too far?  Bullshit.  The man who blows up and gasses his own people is not a kind-hearted savior of his own kind.

 

He wants to avenge the slight that USSR was dealt when Gorbachev admitted defeat (Sound familiar?)  He’s continuing Peter The Great’s inferiority complex of not being taken seriously by the West, despite wanting to fit in as the new cool kid.

 

All the pictures you are pulling out of every Western official siding next to him is the typical diplomatic ruse thinking that maybe this time, he’ll live within human norms.   Guess again.

 

If Putin wants to be honest about the Slavs’ historic cultural and regional ties, then he would have to admit that neither Russia nor Ukraine have historic claims to the Black Sea.  Catherine the Great got the lands only after the Ottomans’ fall.

 

If Putin thinks that Ukrainians are being ingrates, he should know that the Soviet Revolution wouldn’t have worked without Ukrainians pulling out of czarist support.  He would know that Ukraine was the first region to declare independence in 2017, and stayed out of the fighting among the Russians, when everyone knew that if they entered the fight, they would slaughter the sloppy & unorganized Soviets. 

 

In his effort to rehabilitate Stalin, Putin ignores the millions of Ukrainians that Uncle Joe starved to death.  Maybe Putin has a bee in his bonnet about Ukraine, because they welcomed the Germans and Romanians as liberators in 1941.   Imagine that in today’s news cycle.  Perhaps that’s why it’s so easy to paint the Ukrainians as neo-Nazis, despite electing a Jewish president, or ignoring the fact that most orthodox Jews returning east were to Ukraine, and not to Russia.

 

And it’s obvious that none of you know the full history of the region, if you are calling the events in 2014 as a Western coup.  Because for that to be true, you have to be wholly ignorant of what Putin did in Ukraine for a decade prior for that “coup” to come about in the first place.  Why is 2014 the magic date, and not the two decades preceding it?   You are also ignorant of everything Putin has done since.  People played nice with him, thinking he’d only need to conquer Georgia, Crimea, and maybe the separatist Ukrainian areas in a “minor incursion.”   

 

How Chamberlainian of you.

 

At the end of the day, Putin made a great miscalculation thinking that he could steam roll Ukraine without serious opposition.  He gambled correctly that the West would not immediately respond.  But he didn’t count on is the lack of will and preparedness of his forces to face a smaller, but a much more determined opponent fighting to protect its turf. 

 

Good luck carrying out an invasion and occupation with young kids who want no part of being in that convoy, who will need to start killing women and children on TV.  Good luck maintaining support at home when the rouble crashes and the real exchange rate is 3x of the official rate. 

 

Welcome back to the Soviet life again, folks.  But this time, many more people have something to lose, and they won’t part with it if it means supporting Putin.

 

If you can’t see this plain truth that’s right in front of you, then there’s no hope for you to see reality.

 

So long.

So my #1 question for someone so right about so many things in a group of people that are so wrong about everything and are so hopeless is this. Are you walking away after this post or after you walked away Friday night when you lurked again? 

 

Also, finally, if you have not walked away yet and you read this, do you realize you post started with everyone needing to be flexible in their thinking and then showed how not flexible you are. Just pointing out a fact. No disrespect meant. My point is we all need to be flexible but we also need a foundation in life that is not movable that everything is structured on. Mine is a Biblical foundation of truth. Above that life has built or tore down many thoughts. But the foundation always remains. 

  • Like 2
  • Doh! 1
  • Wow 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue., Guidelines