B-Man Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/3/2023 at 1:46 PM, Deranged Rhino said: None really blow my skirt up at first blush. But if he'd come on a (very VERY) cheap prove-it deal, I'd take a run at Michael Thomas and his bum ankle/leg/whatever. He might not make it out of camp, but if he can get healthy he'd be incredible with Josh and Diggs. We should ask him for the "Josh Allen Discount" Yeah Mike, you could probably get 1 - 2 million more elsewhere, But where are you going to get a QB that can get the ball to you anywhere ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/3/2023 at 1:46 PM, Deranged Rhino said: None really blow my skirt up at first blush. But if he'd come on a (very VERY) cheap prove-it deal, I'd take a run at Michael Thomas and his bum ankle/leg/whatever. He might not make it out of camp, but if he can get healthy he'd be incredible with Josh and Diggs. Oof. I’d be a no thanks. Worst work ethic in sports. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Oof. I’d be a no thanks. Worst work ethic in sports. Might be right there - I don't know much about him off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 This is the ESPN top 50 free agents list. If you want to read the blurb on each player, head over to the story. It is a bit different than PFFs top 100 (well, the top 50 is different). Lamar Jackson will be franchise tagged. Poyer and Edmunds are listed in the top 25. See anybody you like? 2023 NFL free agency: Ranking top 50 available players 1. Lamar Jackson, QB, Baltimore Ravens Age entering 2023 season: 26 2. Orlando Brown Jr., OT, Kansas City Chiefs Age entering 2023 season: 27 3. Javon Hargrave, DT, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 30 4. Daron Payne, DT, Washington Commanders Age entering 2023 season: 26 5. Geno Smith, QB, Seattle Seahawks Age entering 2023 season: 32 6. Mike McGlinchey, OT, San Francisco 49ers Age entering 2023 season: 28 7. Saquon Barkley, RB, New York Giants Age entering 2023 season: 26 8. Jamel Dean, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Age entering 2023 season: 26 9. Daniel Jones, QB, New York Giants Age entering 2023 season: 26 10. Jessie Bates III, S, Cincinnati Bengals Age entering 2023 season: 26 11. Dalton Schultz, TE, Dallas Cowboys Age entering 2023 season: 27 12. James Bradberry, CB, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 30 13. C.J. Gardner-Johnson, S, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 25 14. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Jacksonville Jaguars Age entering 2023 season: 25 15. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Denver Broncos Age entering 2023 season: 25 16. Josh Jacobs, RB, Las Vegas Raiders Age entering 2023 season: 25 17. Tremaine Edmunds, ILB, Buffalo BillsAge entering 2023 season: 25 The tape shows that Edmunds has improved as a coverage linebacker, with his route awareness and ability to get to depth as a zone defender. He's a long, 6-foot-5 linebacker with downhill acceleration against the run and second-level range to track the ball. Edmunds had 66 solo tackles, one interception and one sack this season. He's young, but the 2018 first-round pick has started 74 games in five seasons. That experience will be attractive for teams looking for an off-ball linebacker this offseason. 18. Tony Pollard, RB, Dallas Cowboys Age entering 2023 season: 26 19. Marcus Davenport, DE, New Orleans Saints Age entering 2023 season: 27 20. Jakobi Meyers, WR, New England Patriots Age entering 2023 season: 26 21. Lavonte David, ILB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Age entering 2023 season: 33 22. Jordan Poyer, S, Buffalo BillsAge entering 2023 season: 32 It will be interesting to see how teams value a 32-year-old safety, but we still see the versatile ability of Poyer when he's on the field. With four interceptions and eight pass breakups this season, he showed that he's a productive defender who can play from post, split field or rolled-down alignments. He dealt with knee, ribs and elbow injuries this season and missed four games, but he has played in at least 15 games every season since 2017. Plus, his coverage skills still show on the stat sheet; he allowed just 14 catches for 102 yards as the nearest defender in coverage, according to NFL Next Gen Stats. 23. Zach Allen, DE, Arizona Cardinals Age entering 2023 season: 26 24. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, San Francisco 49ers Age entering 2023 season: 31 25. Odell Beckham Jr., WR Age entering 2023 season: 30 26. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Kansas City Chiefs Age entering 2023 season: 26 27. Cameron Sutton, CB, Pittsburgh Steelers Age entering 2023 season: 28 28. Evan Engram, TE, Jacksonville Jaguars Age entering 2023 season: 29 29. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Minnesota Vikings Age entering 2023 season: 29 30. David Long Jr., ILB, Tennessee Titans Age entering 2023 season: 26 31. Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Indianapolis Colts Age entering 2023 season: 28 32. Mike Gesicki, TE, Miami Dolphins Age entering 2023 season: 27 33. Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Las Vegas Raiders Age entering 2023 season: 27 34. Isaac Seumalo, G, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 29 35. DJ Chark, WR, Detroit Lions Age entering 2023 season: 26 36. T.J. Edwards, ILB, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 27 37. Byron Murphy Jr., CB, Arizona Cardinals Age entering 2023 season: 25 38. Brandon Graham, DE, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 35 39. Ben Powers, G, Baltimore Ravens Age entering 2023 season: 26 40. Nate Davis, G, Tennessee Titans Age entering 2023 season: 26 41. Kaleb McGary, OT, Atlanta Falcons Age entering 2023 season: 28 42. Miles Sanders, RB, Philadelphia Eagles Age entering 2023 season: 26 43. Drue Tranquill, ILB, Los Angeles Chargers Age entering 2023 season: 28 44. Dalton Risner, G, Denver Broncos Age entering 2023 season: 28 45. Vonn Bell, S, Cincinnati Bengals Age entering 2023 season: 28 46. Arden Key, DE, Jacksonville Jaguars Age entering 2023 season: 27 47. Patrick Peterson, CB, Minnesota Vikings Age entering 2023 season: 33 48. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, Cleveland Browns Age entering 2023 season: 30 49. Sam Darnold, QB, Carolina Panthers Age entering 2023 season: 26 50. Germaine Pratt, ILB, Cincinnati Bengals Age entering 2023 season: 27 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1622993438844112896 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Here is a graphic I created showing FA Wide Receivers plus some WR that could be on the move over the last two seasons. The advanced metrics are from the 2022 season. The #Bills could be in the market for a WR this offseason. Let me know who you want Twitter graphic: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 This doesn't bode well to me for bringing Poyer back, but what do I know? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Ann said: This doesn't bode well to me for bringing Poyer back, but what do I know? Would love to see him back, but just don't see it happening unless he takes a very low $ deal. Somebody will pay him. Doubt it's the Bills. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Ann said: This doesn't bode well to me for bringing Poyer back, but what do I know? It's better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. I love Jordan Poyer. Absolute warrior, great dude, all the things everyone already knows but you just can't risk paying huge money to a DB on the wrong side of 30. If it's all about the money, then he's going to go elsewhere. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: It's better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. I love Jordan Poyer. Absolute warrior, great dude, all the things everyone already knows but you just can't risk paying huge money to a DB on the wrong side of 30. If it's all about the money, then he's going to go elsewhere. he's the poster boy for why the team did not tackle well. The coaches basically cut out live tackling and blocking, due to the excessive injuries suffered. no surprise, then, the OL did not sustain blocks, tackling by the defense was horrendous, and the effectiveness of our DL against our OL in these limited practices created a perception that did not translate to Sundays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Spartacus said: he's the poster boy for why the team did not tackle well. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here. The NFL and players agreed through the collective bargaining process to severely limit practice contact. It's been going on for years. The owners, for all their money...are dumb AF. they could have had a 20 week season and still only play 16 games per team per season. They just refuse to add more bye weeks as though fans don't tune into the NFL when their team isn't playing. It's really an "everyone wins" situation because there would be zero "short week games", fewer injuries, fewer games where injuries are a factor, more television weeks, and most likely longer careers for the best players. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 2/8/2023 at 11:29 AM, Ann said: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1622993438844112896 If they're cap strapped while Herbert is on his rookie contract, they got problems. This is going to be his fourth year, do they redo his contract this year and wipe the fifth year option? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 19 hours ago, Foxx said: If they're cap strapped while Herbert is on his rookie contract, they got problems. This is going to be his fourth year, do they redo his contract this year and wipe the fifth year option? Is that even a possibility? I thought teams weren't able to mess with rookie contracts (exception being cutting players). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Is that even a possibility? I thought teams weren't able to mess with rookie contracts (exception being cutting players). I don't know to be honest but didn't that happen with Kyler Murray? I guess that is what I was basing my post off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 23 minutes ago, Foxx said: I don't know to be honest but didn't that happen with Kyler Murray? I guess that is what I was basing my post off of. I think the new contract actually starts at the end of his rookie deal (the age 27 year on). It doesn't make sense for owners to have a rookie salary structure in place and then be able to blow it up on a whim. It was their biggest win of the CBA. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Just now, Alaska Darin said: I think the new contract actually starts at the end of his rookie deal (the age 27 year on). Somebody got a steal there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I think the new contract actually starts at the end of his rookie deal (the age 27 year on). It doesn't make sense for owners to have a rookie salary structure in place and then be able to blow it up on a whim. It was their biggest win of the CBA. You are correct. So...does that mean the clause about film study doesn't take effect until the 2024 season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said: You are correct. So...does that mean the clause about film study doesn't take effect until the 2024 season? They took it out because...racism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Clavin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: They took it out because...racism. Not transphobic? I would just find it hilarious if they put in a contract stipulation that said "You have to spend a minimum number of hours on film study...but not until 2024." The Arizona Cardinals...asking the Jets to hold their beer since 1988. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: I think the new contract actually starts at the end of his rookie deal (the age 27 year on). It doesn't make sense for owners to have a rookie salary structure in place and then be able to blow it up on a whim. It was their biggest win of the CBA. I dunno. The CBA seems to indicate differently(?). C O L L E C T I V E B A R G A I N I N G AGREEMENT (bottom of page 33) Quote (k) Renegotiations. (i) A Rookie Contract for a Drafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until after the final regular season game of the player’s third contract year. Additionally, looking at Murray's dead cap hit for '22, it was $110mm. I highly doubt that his rookie contract would come anywhere close to that number in year 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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