Is anarchy "The Answer?"

[GG1]

16 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Once upon a time going full Godwin was rightly derided among the old guard of PPP as the trash it is.  Now it is championed.  Sad to see it.  WTF happened to you guys?

 

Even in PPP there was a carve out for Godwin's law, when the discussion was about the Third Reich.

 

As for parallels, overused they may be, perhaps you can enlighten me how the current state doesn't resemble the early days of Weimar?  Or pre Potemkin Russia?  Or maybe you can tell me the last time you needed medical papers in the US as a condition of employment?

 

It's too easy to be dismissive of a budding totalitarian state when you're in the early throes.

Edited October 27, 2021 by GG1

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

7 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

If this ain't it and there is a place where people are even more free to explore their views that we are living in a reverse-Nazi occupied state bent on extermination of the white race, then which way to the real think tank?  Please tell me there's a pretentious password and everyone wears goat masks like Eyes Wide Shut.

 

Feel free to fight this fight yourself.  I've been fighting it for years, and I'm tired of it.  I'm not tilting at this particular windmill for you.

[Arm of Harm]

10 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

If this ain't it and there is a place where people are even more free to explore their views that we are living in a reverse-Nazi occupied state bent on extermination of the white race, then which way to the real think tank?  Please tell me there's a pretentious password and everyone wears goat masks like Eyes Wide Shut.

Biden became president through a stolen election. He is an empty suit with a crocodile smile. He has done nothing whatever to help this country, and quite a lot to harm it. If you want people to “stand up for Biden,” and heap ridicule on an anti-Biden critique or an anti-Biden critic, why should they? What has Biden done for them? 
 

Even supposing you to be willing to acknowledge the badness of the Biden occupation government, you might still advance the argument that people ought to be ridiculing me based on a generalized belief that anyone who departs too strongly from the facts deserves ridicule. The problem there is, you haven’t engaged with any of the facts. “Heap ridicule/don’t engage with the facts” is a standard-issue part of the Leftist playbook. People have caught on to that playbook to a larger degree today than may have been the case five or ten years ago. Therefore, cookie cutter tactics will be less effective. 
 

If you want to refute me you will need to engage with the facts. The problem there is the facts are entirely on my side. The Biden administration is behaving like a hostile occupation government. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

54 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

...blather...

 

@Jauronimo, you're up.  Go for it.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

Biden became president through a stolen election. He is an empty suit with a crocodile smile. He has done nothing whatever to help this country, and quite a lot to harm it. If you want people to “stand up for Biden,” and heap ridicule on an anti-Biden critique or an anti-Biden critic, why should they? What has Biden done for them? 
 

Even supposing you to be willing to acknowledge the badness of the Biden occupation government, you might still advance the argument that people ought to be ridiculing me based on a generalized belief that anyone who departs too strongly from the facts deserves ridicule. The problem there is, you haven’t engaged with any of the facts. “Heap ridicule/don’t engage with the facts” is a standard-issue part of the Leftist playbook. People have caught on to that playbook to a larger degree today than may have been the case five or ten years ago. Therefore, cookie cutter tactics will be less effective. 
 

If you want to refute me you will need to engage with the facts. The problem there is the facts are entirely on my side. The Biden administration is behaving like a hostile occupation government. 

You haven't established any fact pattern.  Stolen elections, breeding out the white race, and the Biden admin having less decency than Nazis barely meet the criteria for opinions.  More like aspirational hopes in this twisted persecution fantasy.  We know its fantasy because anyone with any conviction in this belief would have fled the country by now.  Its unconscionable to think you and @GG1 have not moved your families to safety.  

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

@Jauronimo, you're up.  Go for it.

I was just asking for directions to the real PPP where lunacy is still checked in some way.  Looks like its invite only.  

[GG1]

24 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

You haven't established any fact pattern.  Stolen elections, breeding out the white race, and the Biden admin having less decency than Nazis barely meet the criteria for opinions.  More like aspirational hopes in this twisted persecution fantasy.  We know its fantasy because anyone with any conviction in this belief would have fled the country by now.  Its unconscionable to think you and @GG1 have not moved your families to safety.  

 

How about addressing my comments instead of inventing something I never said?

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I was just asking for directions to the real PPP where lunacy is still checked in some way.  Looks like its invite only.  

 

This is more of an "ignore the stupid" sort of place.  

 

Though I do miss the "bash the stupid" sometimes.  

[Arm of Harm]

28 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

You haven't established any fact pattern.  Stolen elections, breeding out the white race, and the Biden admin having less decency than Nazis barely meet the criteria for opinions.  More like aspirational hopes in this twisted persecution fantasy.  We know its fantasy because anyone with any conviction in this belief would have fled the country by now.  Its unconscionable to think you and @GG1 have not moved your families to safety.  

 

Stolen election

• Mark Zuckerberg spent $375 million on having election procedures changed.
• Mail-in ballots, drop boxes, and ballot harvesting reduced election integrity.
• Massive fraud was revealed in a small instance, when Dominion voting machines flipped some 30 - 40 percentage points of votes from Trump to Biden. Dominion assured us this was an innocent mistake and a local problem. No investigation was done to determine the accuracy of such claims.
• There are 900 fact witnesses/affidavits to election fraud.
• The existence of those 900 affidavits did not result in any audits or evidentiary hearings prior to Biden being handed the presidency. In the past, even 2 - 3 fact witnesses would be sufficient to trigger an audit.
• Maricopa County obstructed justice by refusing to hand over their passwords or electronic devices.
• Software used to analyze the legitimacy of other nations' elections determined our own was stolen.

 

Elimination of the white race

• Communism version 1 was created by Marx and Engles. It involved works such as The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.
• Communism version 1 was highly tribalistic: the "good" tribe was the proletariat, the "bad" tribe the bourgeois. The stated goal of version 1 was economic equality.
• Communism version 2 is otherwise known as critical theory. It originated in Frankfurt, Germany, but moved to Columbia University in NYC in 1934, where it metastasized.
• Communism version 2 was highly tribailistic. But the object of hostility was no longer rich people or nobility. Instead, the objective of critical theory is the elimination of Western Civilization.
• Critical race theory is a subset of critical theory. While critical theory in general is hostile to the white race, this is even more true of critical race theory.
• Anyone who says the white race ought to continue to exist is dehumanized with words such as "racist" and "bigot."
• Anyone who suggests reducing non-white immigration, for the purpose of protecting the existence of the white race, is likewise dehumanized.
• According to critical race theory the white race's achievements have been because of privilege. All white people are privileged. Both version 1 and version 2 communists believe a privileged person is a bad, evil person. Also critical theorists and critical race theorists have done much to spread the notion of white guilt, frequently using intellectually dishonest tactics to do so.

[Jauronimo]

34 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

How about addressing my comments instead of inventing something I never said?

I didn't invent a thing.  You've been arguing with me in support of Arm of Harm's position.

 

I asked you point blank if you thought you were living in an occupied nation run by a government with less decency than Nazis.  You are willing to entertain the idea that it may be an embellished notion but first I have to answer your questions three about Potemkin, Weimar, and Kristallnacht. 

 

Peek one post above for what you've been arguing for.  Like I said yesterday, congratulations are in order. 

[Jauronimo]

50 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

Stolen election

• Mark Zuckerberg spent $375 million on having election procedures changed.
• Mail-in ballots, drop boxes, and ballot harvesting reduced election integrity.
• Massive fraud was revealed in a small instance, when Dominion voting machines flipped some 30 - 40 percentage points of votes from Trump to Biden. Dominion assured us this was an innocent mistake and a local problem. No investigation was done to determine the accuracy of such claims.
• There are 900 fact witnesses/affidavits to election fraud.
• The existence of those 900 affidavits did not result in any audits or evidentiary hearings prior to Biden being handed the presidency. In the past, even 2 - 3 fact witnesses would be sufficient to trigger an audit.
• Maricopa County obstructed justice by refusing to hand over their passwords or electronic devices.
• Software used to analyze the legitimacy of other nations' elections determined our own was stolen.

 

Elimination of the white race

• Communism version 1 was created by Marx and Engles. It involved works such as The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.
• Communism version 1 was highly tribalistic: the "good" tribe was the proletariat, the "bad" tribe the bourgeois. The stated goal of version 1 was economic equality.
• Communism version 2 is otherwise known as critical theory. It originated in Frankfurt, Germany, but moved to Columbia University in NYC in 1934, where it metastasized.
• Communism version 2 was highly tribailistic. But the object of hostility was no longer rich people or nobility. Instead, the objective of critical theory is the elimination of Western Civilization.
• Critical race theory is a subset of critical theory. While critical theory in general is hostile to the white race, this is even more true of critical race theory.
• Anyone who says the white race ought to continue to exist is dehumanized with words such as "racist" and "bigot."
• Anyone who suggests reducing non-white immigration, for the purpose of protecting the existence of the white race, is likewise dehumanized.
• According to critical race theory the white race's achievements have been because of privilege. All white people are privileged. Both version 1 and version 2 communists believe a privileged person is a bad, evil person. Also critical theorists and critical race theorists have done much to spread the notion of white guilt, frequently using intellectually dishonest tactics to do so.

No, no, NO! You add the pickle juice after the eggs but before the pasta is fully cooked! The macaroni should be al dente, which is French for broken teeth.  Capiche?

[GG1]

15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I didn't invent a thing.  You've been arguing with me in support of Arm of Harm's position.

 

Not really.  I pointed out the difference in how Hitler treated the West vs East.   You're the one who threw in the tangent (as always).  My argument was about that, not in any way debating or endorsing his position.

 

15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I asked you point blank if you thought you were living in an occupied nation run by a government with less decency than Nazis. 

 

And I showed you a parallel that people didn't think they were in that state until they were, and will repeat again that it's a closer parallel to early Weimar or the start of any Soviet influenced regime than Nazi Germany.  But you will ignore that.

[Arm of Harm]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

I didn't invent a thing. 

 

 

That's an extremely interesting assertion. I stated that Germany did not replace the French population with Germans after its victory in the Franco-Prussian War, and that the National Socialists did not replace French with Germans after their victory over France in 1940. Both these are statements about historical fact, about which there can be no dispute.

 

Some on the Left reject the concept of objective truth, which they believe was invented by and privileges white males. I don't know if you accept or reject the validity of objective truth. What I do know is that my statements about German occupation of France were accurate, they were objectively true, and that they were represented by you as "the Biden admin having less decency than Nazis barely meet the criteria for opinions." Having put words into my mouth and into GG's mouth, you then heaped ridicule upon the straw men you yourself created.

 

While I'm annoyed, I'm not taking this personally. I realize that all the above are standard-issue Leftist tactics, that there are others on the Left who have done far worse than you have here, and that anyone expressing a right wing perspective should expect to encounter Leftists pulling stuff like this. Leftism is an evil which poisons all it touches. You could take the best, most decent man in the world, and if you were to poison him with enough Leftism he'd start saying and doing some bad things. All of us are fallible, and not one among us is so good or virtuous to be entirely immune to the poison of Leftism.

[Jauronimo]

24 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

Not really.  I pointed out the difference in how Hitler treated the West vs East.   You're the one who threw in the tangent (as always).  My argument was about that, not in any way debating or endorsing his position.

 

 

And I showed you a parallel that people didn't think they were in that state until they were, and will repeat again that it's a closer parallel to early Weimar or the start of any Soviet influenced regime than Nazi Germany.  But you will ignore that.

By tangent you mean asking you if you agree with the premise of his argument? Thats not a tangent.

 

A tangent would be asking me to debate parallels of Biden's admin and the early soviet days.  Or asking me about when I last had to show medical records for employment.  What makes those tangents is that they have little relevance to the original premise of the argument.  They're distinct lines of thinking.  Asking if you have any other objections to the idea that the Biden admin is an occupying government with less decency than Nazis apart from some clarifications on Lebensraum is 100% related to the original premise and therefore is not tangential. 

 

These types of questions are ones that people generally have no issue answering.  It is highly curious to me that you are so reluctant to definitively answer the question as to whether you think you are living in an occupied state run by a regime worse than Nazis.  You will argue with me no matter the position, but this guy says we're living under Nazi rule and Biden is here to eradicate the "white race" and the best you can do is "well, to be fair Biden may be seeking allies with more civilized California yuppies while he deals with the savage McCatholics back east"

 

 

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

 

That's an extremely interesting assertion. I stated that Germany did not replace the French population with Germans after its victory in the Franco-Prussian War, and that the National Socialists did not replace French with Germans after their victory over France in 1940. Both these are statements about historical fact, about which there can be no dispute.

 

Some on the Left reject the concept of objective truth, which they believe was invented by and privileges white males. I don't know if you accept or reject the validity of objective truth. What I do know is that my statements about German occupation of France were accurate, they were objectively true, and that they were represented by you as "the Biden admin having less decency than Nazis barely meet the criteria for opinions." Having put words into my mouth and into GG's mouth, you then heaped ridicule upon the straw men you yourself created.

 

While I'm annoyed, I'm not taking this personally. I realize that all the above are standard-issue Leftist tactics, that there are others on the Left who have done far worse than you have here, and that anyone expressing a right wing perspective should expect to encounter Leftists pulling stuff like this. Leftism is an evil which poisons all it touches. You could take the best, most decent man in the world, and if you were to poison him with enough Leftism he'd start saying and doing some bad things. All of us are fallible, and not one among us is so good or virtuous to be entirely immune to the poison of Leftism.

"European nations have many centuries of history of warfare against each other. Most of those wars did not result in the physical replacement of the vanquished nation’s population by that of the victor. For example, Germany did not physically replace the French population with Germans at the end of the Franco-Prussian War. Nor did the National Socialists do that or plan to do that to occupied France. The Biden occupation government’s choice to use legal and illegal immigration as tools with which to replace the American people is atypical of hostile foreign occupations. Most occupiers demonstrate more decency and restraint than that. "

 

Its a fair summary of the bolded.  Your words.  Your argument.  Do you not understand what you wrote?

[Jackson]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Asking if you have any other objections to the idea that the Biden admin is an occupying government

It is a fair argument to question whether or not the Biden administration is an occupier. Over half the population of the United States believes there was some funny business involved with the 2020 election.

[Arm of Harm]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

"European nations have many centuries of history of warfare against each other. Most of those wars did not result in the physical replacement of the vanquished nation’s population by that of the victor. For example, Germany did not physically replace the French population with Germans at the end of the Franco-Prussian War. Nor did the National Socialists do that or plan to do that to occupied France. The Biden occupation government’s choice to use legal and illegal immigration as tools with which to replace the American people is atypical of hostile foreign occupations. Most occupiers demonstrate more decency and restraint than that. "

 

Its a fair summary of the bolded.  Your words.  Your argument.  Do you not understand what you wrote?

 

The National Socialists were not the boogymen of Leftist fairy tales. They were human beings, just like the politicians and plutocrats in charge of Western democracies were human beings. No human being is 100% good or 100% bad.

 

It is inarguable that the Western democracies and the Soviets demonstrated more decency towards the Jewish people than did the National Socialists. But might there have been other cases where the National Socialists demonstrated more decency than the Western democracies? The Ukrainian famine comes to mind: while the Western democratic governments and media outlets did their best to cover up that crime against humanity, the National Socialists spoke out against it.

 

It is at this point reasonable to consider the occupation of France. The National Socialists did not replace the French with Germans, nor did they plan to do so. A German victory in WWII would not have resulted in the physical disappearance of the French people. The same cannot be said of the Allied victory: the French government has embraced replacement-level non-white immigration; which is also the case for the Biden occupation government. So yes, on the question of replacement the National Socialists demonstrated more decency and restraint towards the French, than critical race theorists have demonstrated towards the traditionally white nations whose governments they control. It's puzzling to me why anyone would fail to acknowledge so self-evident a point.

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, Jackson said:

It is a fair argument to question whether or not the Biden administration is an occupier. Over half the population of the United States believes there was some funny business involved with the 2020 election.

These terms have definitions.  Like occupying, which means under the authority of hostile armed forces, i.e., military government.  Any argument based on Biden as occupying is fatally flawed. 

 

All manner of people believing in shenanigans, monkey business, and general tomfoolery does not change the fact that this country is not occupied by a hostile armed force under military law.  99% of people could believe in some funny business.  People were losing their shit about the election being stolen before it even took place.  Its been months, lets see the proof.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

These terms have definitions.  Like occupying, which means under the authority of hostile armed forces, i.e., military government.  Any argument based on Biden as occupying is fatally flawed. 

 

Terms don't have definitions anymore.  Haven't for years.  

 

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

People were losing their shit about the election being stolen before it even took place.  Its been months, lets see the proof.

 

On both sides of the aisle, mind you.  Want to know where the real funny business was in the 2020 election cycle?  Everyone was prepped to believe the election was stolen if their candidate lost.

 

That's the manipulation.  Not that Biden won, or if Trump had won, for that matter.  But that were were all primed to mistrust the results.

[Arm of Harm]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

These terms have definitions.  Like occupying, which means under the authority of hostile armed forces, i.e., military government.  Any argument based on Biden as occupying is fatally flawed. 

 

All manner of people believing in shenanigans, monkey business, and general tomfoolery does not change the fact that this country is not occupied by a hostile armed force under military law.  99% of people could believe in some funny business.  People were losing their shit about the election being stolen before it even took place.  Its been months, lets see the proof.

 

To address your bolded remark first, the proof exists, and it is here. Someone who only gets his news from big media will have heard the same prepackaged conclusion about the election repeated endlessly. But he will be unable to answer questions about the number of fact witnesses to election fraud, the steps taken to investigate their claims prior to Biden taking office, or any other thing relating to election integrity. 

 

As for whether the Biden administration meets the definition of a hostile occupation government, let's consider the following:

 

1) Are the Biden administration's actions hostile to the American people or the American nation?

 

At the risk of pointing out the glaringly obvious, the answer here is yes.

 

2) Is the Biden administration motivated by an ideology intrinsically hostile to the American people?

 

Critical race theory is based on the core value of racial hatred, and on no other core values. That racial hate is directed against white people. Hatred of white people is not evidence of benign intent towards non-white Americans.

 

3) Is the Biden administration working to reduce or eliminate personal freedoms?

 

The Biden administration is working with big tech to develop censorship policies. The attorney general, Merrick Garland, threatened parents with FBI investigations if they spoke out against critical race theory being taught in schools.

 

4) Has the Biden administration declared martial law?

 

No, it has not. If you need there to be martial law to see a hostile occupation government, you will not see one in this instance.