Biden Investigations

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

25 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Skimming through that it seems he only has the right to declassify it he classified it to begin with under part 3? Am I wrong? 

 

3.1(b)(3).  VP is an original classification authority, arguably with supervisory authority over everyone but the President.  So he has very broad declassification authority.

 

The devil's advocate argument to that being: is the VP really supervisory?  Is he in the "chain of command," so to speak?  Most people would think he is because he's second in the line of succession - but the line of succession is not an org chart.  I honestly don't know that the VP's supervisory authority has ever been determined outside the 25th Amendment (which doesn't apply in this case.)  It's an issue with Obama's EO that I don't think anyone ever considered: giving the VP original classification authority without clarifying his supervisory authority is very ambiguous.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

So, what is the issue then? If anyone can declassify national security material (ok, some hyperbole), what’s the issue? They can shake some voodoo bones, spin around three times while throwing pixie dust over their shoulder shouting I DECLASSIFY THESE DOCUMENTS, or simply say, “these are declassified” and store ‘em in boxes next to their Corvette (or a secure vault, or a 3m sq ft warehouse, or a sock drawer) and it is all good, right?

 

It's the same misunderstanding about Trump's and Hillary's "mishandling" of documents: it's not the classification that's the issue, it's the mishandling of federal records and withholding them from archives.  Presidential records must be archived when the President leaves office. 

 

If you'll recall, when Obama was elected, there was a lot of discussion about that before he took office, because he was addicted to his personal Blackberry, and once he was inaugurated anything on that Blackberry from that point on became a Presidential Record.  They had no idea how to approach it - take his Blackberry away, route it through White House Communications so the records were captured.  Same issues with Twitter: when does a Presidential tweet become a Presidential record?  (And note that banning Trump from Twitter was fraught with record-keeping issues.)  

 

In all of these cases, Hillary's is by far the most egregious.  As snafu said, Biden's and Trump's documents could have been photocopies (apparently they weren't, but were originals, which is why NARA put up such a big stink about Trump's.)  Hillary ran a private email server to intentionally hide the Clinton Foundation's direct involvement with foreign policy from both Congressional oversight and NARA.  "But classified documents!" was practically trivial in comparison.  

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

3.1(b)(3).  VP is an original classification authority, arguably with supervisory authority over everyone but the President.  So he has very broad declassification authority.

 

The devil's advocate argument to that being: is the VP really supervisory?  Is he in the "chain of command," so to speak?  Most people would think he is because he's second in the line of succession - but the line of succession is not an org chart.  I honestly don't know that the VP's supervisory authority has ever been determined outside the 25th Amendment (which doesn't apply in this case.)  It's an issue with Obama's EO that I don't think anyone ever considered: giving the VP original classification authority without clarifying his supervisory authority is very ambiguous.

Two words that should scare the &#%$ out of everyone...

 

Kamala Devi Harris

[devnull]

3 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

It's the same misunderstanding about Trump's and Hillary's "mishandling" of documents: it's not the classification that's the issue, it's the mishandling of federal records and withholding them from archives.  Presidential records must be archived when the President leaves office. 

 

If you'll recall, when Obama was elected, there was a lot of discussion about that before he took office, because he was addicted to his personal Blackberry, and once he was inaugurated anything on that Blackberry from that point on became a Presidential Record.  They had no idea how to approach it - take his Blackberry away, route it through White House Communications so the records were captured.  Same issues with Twitter: when does a Presidential tweet become a Presidential record?  (And note that banning Trump from Twitter was fraught with record-keeping issues.)  

 

In all of these cases, Hillary's is by far the most egregious.  As snafu said, Biden's and Trump's documents could have been photocopies (apparently they weren't, but were originals, which is why NARA put up such a big stink about Trump's.)  Hillary ran a private email server to intentionally hide the Clinton Foundation's direct involvement with foreign policy from both Congressional oversight and NARA.  "But classified documents!" was practically trivial in comparison.  

 

 

The flaw in your argument is that Laws apply to everyone

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Crap Throwing Clavin]

13 hours ago, devnull said:

 

 

The flaw in your argument is that Laws apply to everyone

 

 

 

But that doesn't speak to the law, it speaks to oligarchic hypocrisy, which is understood.

[Fansince88]

20 hours ago, Foxx said:

Two words that should scare the &#%$ out of everyone...

 

Kamala Devi Harris

Do you think it would matter?

 

[devnull]

 

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Do you think it would matter?

 

 Not really but never underestimate ineptitude.

[Ann]

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[Ann]

Hunter Biden's law firm was sending Joe Biden $50K a month to rent that house.

 

And in other news, a Chinese global energy company linked to a Chinese intelligence operation sent close to $6 million to Hunter Biden in 2017, according to the explosive new book Red-Handed: How American Elites Get Rich Helping China Win by Peter Schweizer.

What's 10% of $6 million? 🤔

[devnull]

6 minutes ago, Ann said:

Hunter Biden's law firm was sending Joe Biden $50K a month to rent that house.

 

And in other news, a Chinese global energy company linked to a Chinese intelligence operation sent close to $6 million to Hunter Biden in 2017, according to the explosive new book Red-Handed: How American Elites Get Rich Helping China Win by Peter Schweizer.

What's 10% of $6 million? 🤔

 

 

Rent * Months = TheTake * TheBigGuy

[B-Man]

Was the Mar-a-Lago Raid a Biden Insurance Policy?

by David Catron

 

Original Article

 

Much of the commentary concerning the presence of classified documents at the Penn Biden Center office and the President’s Delaware home has focused on the delay between the discovery and the public revelation of that discovery. And it is difficult to believe that the timing was apolitical. There is another question about the timing, however, that no one seems to have asked: Why were classified documents that had been in Biden’s possession since 2017 suddenly found less than 90 days after the FBI raid on former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago compound?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

No Records Exist Of Visitors To Biden’s Delaware Home Where Classified Docs Found, White House Says

by Tim Pearce

 

Visitor logs for President Joe Biden’s house in Wilmington, Delaware, since the start of his presidency do not exist, the White House said Monday. The announcement comes after an unspecified number of classified documents were recovered from Biden’s personal home in recent weeks. Republicans have raised questions over who had access to the records while they were stored in Biden’s garage and study. “Like every President in decades of modern history, his personal residence is personal,” the White House Counsel’s office told Fox News. “But upon taking office, President Biden restored the norm and tradition of keeping White House visitors logs,

including publishing them regularly, after the previous administration ended them.”

 

The U.S. Secret Service said Sunday that it does not track visitors to Biden’s personal residence, though agents do guard the home.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/no-records-exist-of-visitors-to-bidens-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-found-white-house-says

 

 

[CarpetCrawler]

The first day that this was news with Trump, I asked when are they going to search all the boxes of documents Obama shipped to Chicago?

 

This is even better though, especially after Biden talked so publicly about how irresponsible Trump was. Seriously, how big of a moron are you if shoot your mouth off like that without even checking if there is anything similar at your own home???

 

I'm still waiting for some authority to look through the supposed building full of Obama documents...... 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No Records Exist Of Visitors To Biden’s Delaware Home Where Classified Docs Found, White House Says

by Tim Pearce

 

Visitor logs for President Joe Biden’s house in Wilmington, Delaware, since the start of his presidency do not exist, the White House said Monday. The announcement comes after an unspecified number of classified documents were recovered from Biden’s personal home in recent weeks. Republicans have raised questions over who had access to the records while they were stored in Biden’s garage and study. “Like every President in decades of modern history, his personal residence is personal,” the White House Counsel’s office told Fox News. “But upon taking office, President Biden restored the norm and tradition of keeping White House visitors logs,

including publishing them regularly, after the previous administration ended them.”

 

The U.S. Secret Service said Sunday that it does not track visitors to Biden’s personal residence, though agents do guard the home.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/no-records-exist-of-visitors-to-bidens-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-found-white-house-says

 

 

 

A few people pointed out that the logs MUST exist in some form. At the very least, the USSS has to clear any visitors, so they'd have records which could be subpoenaed... will they do that? Probably not, but there's no way there's not a record somewhere.  

 

[Joe Miner]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No Records Exist Of Visitors To Biden’s Delaware Home Where Classified Docs Found, White House Says

by Tim Pearce

 

Visitor logs for President Joe Biden’s house in Wilmington, Delaware, since the start of his presidency do not exist, the White House said Monday. The announcement comes after an unspecified number of classified documents were recovered from Biden’s personal home in recent weeks. Republicans have raised questions over who had access to the records while they were stored in Biden’s garage and study. “Like every President in decades of modern history, his personal residence is personal,” the White House Counsel’s office told Fox News. “But upon taking office, President Biden restored the norm and tradition of keeping White House visitors logs,

including publishing them regularly, after the previous administration ended them.”

 

The U.S. Secret Service said Sunday that it does not track visitors to Biden’s personal residence, though agents do guard the home.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/no-records-exist-of-visitors-to-bidens-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-found-white-house-says

 

 

 

The records they're referring to are when they asked Joe Biden about recent visitors and his response was "chocolate".

[Foxx]

Of course they did.

because you know... all of his lawyers are cleared for classified material

 

 

[CarpetCrawler]

18 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Of course they did.

because you know... all of his lawyers are cleared for classified material

 

 

 

What if, when the FBI showed up at Mara Lago, Trump told them, "Wait there, Rudy Giuliani is going to go through everything and he'll give you what you need when he's done in a few weeks."?

 

Not only did the FBI search Trump's home, they opened a safe and went through Melania's belongings too.  And on top of it, they ordered Trumps lawyers out of the house and wouldn't let them observe a thing. Who really trusts today's FBI to not plant evidence ??? 

[Ann]

42 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Of course they did.

because you know... all of his lawyers are cleared for classified material

 

 

 

Biden smirks and LAUGHS at reporters while again refusing to answer questions on classified files - as shocking report reveals Department of Justice made deal to keep FBI agents AWAY from search
Grinning Biden refused to answer questions from reporters in the Oval Office 
Reporters shouted questions on the documents - but he just sat and smiled 
And new report found DoJ cut a deal with Biden team to keep FBI out
Justice agreed to let Biden's team search solo 
White House is under intense scrutiny for their response to the files scandal
It took them two months from the first discovery to acknowledge them  

 

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Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal revealed on Tuesday that the Justice Department considered having FBI agents monitor Biden's personal attorneys as they searched his Wilmington and Rehoboth homes but decided against it, deciding Biden's lawyers were cooperating with them.

 

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