2024 Election Season

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, Ann said:

And how is Ron DeSantis going to stop that? How will he have coattails? What is he doing to clean up voter rolls and fix voter fraud so he (or other Republicans) can win? 

That’s the rub. 
 

I don’t want to disparage anyone who supports RDS (division is what they want/require), and I understand people who think Trump is unelectable to the middle portions of the political spectrum - I do. I have my own reservations about Trump too, his missteps on the issues that matter most still bug me and make me wonder if he really can do what needs to be done. 
 

Then I step back and look at the big picture. The real fight isn’t with Democrats or progressives or even socialists. The fight is with the establishment which, more clearly than ever before in our history, doesn’t reside on just the left or right of our political spectrum. The establishment and it’s institutions are the ones who are purposefully inflaming tensions, engineering social divisions, fueling the culture war, maybe worse - all in an effort to divide us. To keep us fighting with each other so that they, the truly powerful, can keep their boot on our necks. 

 

If that’s truly what’s at play in our country/world order - and I think it is - then I think it’s only prudent to eliminate all those candidates who have chosen to align themselves with the establishment itself. After all how are we ever going to beat the enemy if we keep electing those who do their bidding, either because they’re compromised and forced to, or because they themselves are true believers.
 

The best way to figure out who’s on Team Establishment vs who’s on Team The People, is to look into  who’s running their campaign. Who are they surrounding themselves with in terms of policy makers and campaign planks? And, of course, who their biggest donors are and what interests they represent.
 

Make no mistake, Neoconservativism is not a right leaning belief system. It’s not in any way compatible with our constitutional republic and has been an active force for ripping down the very foundations of our republic since 2001. They decimated privacy, free speech, and made the Covid lockdown states possible/tenable after years of strengthening the Executive in ways that have turned our republic into an oligarchy in all but name. 
 

Liberals didn’t do that. 
 

Neocons did, on behalf of the corporate interests they truly represent. 
 

So any candidate who chooses to surround themselves with Neocon advisors, while stumping on the virtues of endless war, should rightly be labeled as being part of the problem, not the solution. No matter how much more electable they seem, they will always serve the interests of the enemies of the Republic rather than the People. 
 

But we can’t get to that point until people realize the actual game afoot. It’s not about a culture war. That’s but a symptom of a larger contagion and much more dangerous enemy. 

[Cinga]

5 hours ago, Ann said:

This country…
 

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't think that matters to most real Republicans, put him in jail even and there is a real good chance he wins the nomination walking away. All these charges, and lack of them against the Xiden's for much much worse crimes has just highlighted the 2 tier justice system even more and has many convinced Trump is the only one that can clean it up.

They don't trust politicians which is probably the reason Ramaswamy has overtaken DeSantis for the #2 spot in some polls

Edited July 21, 2023 by Cinga

[Fansince88]

On 7/21/2023 at 2:34 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

That’s the rub. 
 

I don’t want to disparage anyone who supports RDS (division is what they want/require), and I understand people who think Trump is unelectable to the middle portions of the political spectrum - I do. I have my own reservations about Trump too, his missteps on the issues that matter most still bug me and make me wonder if he really can do what needs to be done. 
 

Then I step back and look at the big picture. The real fight isn’t with Democrats or progressives or even socialists. The fight is with the establishment which, more clearly than ever before in our history, doesn’t reside on just the left or right of our political spectrum. The establishment and it’s institutions are the ones who are purposefully inflaming tensions, engineering social divisions, fueling the culture war, maybe worse - all in an effort to divide us. To keep us fighting with each other so that they, the truly powerful, can keep their boot on our necks. 

 

If that’s truly what’s at play in our country/world order - and I think it is - then I think it’s only prudent to eliminate all those candidates who have chosen to align themselves with the establishment itself. After all how are we ever going to beat the enemy if we keep electing those who do their bidding, either because they’re compromised and forced to, or because they themselves are true believers.
 

The best way to figure out who’s on Team Establishment vs who’s on Team The People, is to look into  who’s running their campaign. Who are they surrounding themselves with in terms of policy makers and campaign planks? And, of course, who their biggest donors are and what interests they represent.
 

Make no mistake, Neoconservativism is not a right leaning belief system. It’s not in any way compatible with our constitutional republic and has been an active force for ripping down the very foundations of our republic since 2001. They decimated privacy, free speech, and made the Covid lockdown states possible/tenable after years of strengthening the Executive in ways that have turned our republic into an oligarchy in all but name. 
 

Liberals didn’t do that. 
 

Neocons did, on behalf of the corporate interests they truly represent. 
 

So any candidate who chooses to surround themselves with Neocon advisors, while stumping on the virtues of endless war, should rightly be labeled as being part of the problem, not the solution. No matter how much more electable they seem, they will always serve the interests of the enemies of the Republic rather than the People. 
 

But we can’t get to that point until people realize the actual game afoot. It’s not about a culture war. That’s but a symptom of a larger contagion and much more dangerous enemy. 

Very well said! 

[Spartacus]

On 7/21/2023 at 2:34 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

That’s the rub. 
 

I don’t want to disparage anyone who supports RDS (division is what they want/require), and I understand people who think Trump is unelectable to the middle portions of the political spectrum - I do. I have my own reservations about Trump too, his missteps on the issues that matter most still bug me and make me wonder if he really can do what needs to be done. 
 

Then I step back and look at the big picture. The real fight isn’t with Democrats or progressives or even socialists. The fight is with the establishment which, more clearly than ever before in our history, doesn’t reside on just the left or right of our political spectrum. The establishment and it’s institutions are the ones who are purposefully inflaming tensions, engineering social divisions, fueling the culture war, maybe worse - all in an effort to divide us. To keep us fighting with each other so that they, the truly powerful, can keep their boot on our necks. 

 

If that’s truly what’s at play in our country/world order - and I think it is - then I think it’s only prudent to eliminate all those candidates who have chosen to align themselves with the establishment itself. After all how are we ever going to beat the enemy if we keep electing those who do their bidding, either because they’re compromised and forced to, or because they themselves are true believers.
 

The best way to figure out who’s on Team Establishment vs who’s on Team The People, is to look into  who’s running their campaign. Who are they surrounding themselves with in terms of policy makers and campaign planks? And, of course, who their biggest donors are and what interests they represent.
 

Make no mistake, Neoconservativism is not a right leaning belief system. It’s not in any way compatible with our constitutional republic and has been an active force for ripping down the very foundations of our republic since 2001. They decimated privacy, free speech, and made the Covid lockdown states possible/tenable after years of strengthening the Executive in ways that have turned our republic into an oligarchy in all but name. 
 

Liberals didn’t do that. 
 

Neocons did, on behalf of the corporate interests they truly represent. 
 

So any candidate who chooses to surround themselves with Neocon advisors, while stumping on the virtues of endless war, should rightly be labeled as being part of the problem, not the solution. No matter how much more electable they seem, they will always serve the interests of the enemies of the Republic rather than the People. 
 

But we can’t get to that point until people realize the actual game afoot. It’s not about a culture war. That’s but a symptom of a larger contagion and much more dangerous enemy. 

Trump himself was an outsider.

then he surrounded himself with Establishment flunkies

what is team Trump now?

 

what if DeSantis is playing the long game?

his actions say he supports the people

you say the money makes him an Establishment neocon.

 

what if he is taking the money to get elected, so he can push an agenda similar to his actions in Florida?

just don't hire Establishment lackeys 

the push back can't be any worse than what Trump encountered, unless they kill him outright immediately

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Billsandhorns]

8 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Trump himself was an outsider.

then he surrounded himself with Establishment flunkies

what is team Trump now?

 

what if DeSantis is playing the long game?

his actions say he supports the people

you say the money makes him an Establishment neocon.

 

what if he is taking the money to get elected, so he can push an agenda similar to his actions in Florida?

just don't hire Establishment lackeys 

the push back can't be any worse than what Trump encountered, unless they kill him outright immediately

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rub for me is that he lied to the voters of Florida to get re-elected 

[Deranged Rhino]

He made a tremendous mistake deciding to run, then compounded it by hiring all establishment Neocons to be his team, then tripled down on it by firing a swath of them and returning with this "new" message that is not only laughably false, but direct talking points lifted from Adam Schiff of all people. 

 

When people show you who they are, believe them. 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Deranged Rhino

[Spartacus]

On 7/24/2023 at 4:58 PM, Billsandhorns said:

The rub for me is that he lied to the voters of Florida to get re-elected 

lied about what?

his lizard people roots?

[Billsandhorns]

40 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

lied about what?

his lizard people roots?

That he wasn't going to run for President in 2024

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

39 minutes ago, Billsandhorns said:

That he wasn't going to run for President in 2024

 

 

Who doesn't lie about that.  I can think of one instance of politicians telling the truth about not running: Biden not running in 2016, so Hillary had "her turn."

 

[Billsandhorns]

3 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Who doesn't lie about that.  I can think of one instance of politicians telling the truth about not running: Biden not running in 2016, so Hillary had "her turn."

 

He then worked to change the law in Florida so he could run and not resign. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

4 minutes ago, Billsandhorns said:

He then worked to change the law in Florida so he could run and not resign. 

 

Ameticans want a ruling class, it looks like.

[Ann]

Conservatives Fight Secretive Biden Voting Order as 'Bidenbucks' -- Federal 'Zuckbucks' on Steroids

 

GOP lawmakers and other conservative critics are working to expose and fight a secretive executive order by President Biden to expand voter participation in elections, which they suspect has become a powerful government-wide complement to private left-wing election financing that could tip the 2024 campaign illegally and unfairly in Democrats’ favor. 

 

Cast as a civil rights measure issued as the nation marked the 1965 “Bloody Sunday” police beatings of voting-rights marchers outside Selma, Ala., the president's 2021 directive orders every federal agency, more than 600 in all, to register and mobilize voters – particularly “people of color” and others the White House says face “challenges to exercise their fundamental right to vote.” It further orders the agencies to collaborate with ostensibly nonpartisan nonprofits.  

 

Since issuing the order, critics claim, the Biden administration has stonewalled efforts to scrutinize its implementation by often ignoring document requests and litigating to shield relevant records. The critics, including members of Congress, state officials, and government watchdog groups, say the executive branch is attempting to federalize elections with an end-run around constitutionally prescribed state control over voting – in many cases using the resources of agencies with missions unrelated to registering voters. 

 

Some have labeled the president’s order “Bidenbucks,” evoking “Zuckbucks” – Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg and wife Priscilla Chan’s funneling of some $400 million through two nonprofits into election offices across the country during the 2020 election. That money often flowed to left-leaning nonprofits managing critical aspects of election administration that were considered crucial to Biden's winning the White House. 

 

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[Crap Throwing Clavin]

18 hours ago, Ann said:

Conservatives Fight Secretive Biden Voting Order as 'Bidenbucks' -- Federal 'Zuckbucks' on Steroids

 

GOP lawmakers and other conservative critics are working to expose and fight a secretive executive order by President Biden to expand voter participation in elections, which they suspect has become a powerful government-wide complement to private left-wing election financing that could tip the 2024 campaign illegally and unfairly in Democrats’ favor. 

 

Cast as a civil rights measure issued as the nation marked the 1965 “Bloody Sunday” police beatings of voting-rights marchers outside Selma, Ala., the president's 2021 directive orders every federal agency, more than 600 in all, to register and mobilize voters – particularly “people of color” and others the White House says face “challenges to exercise their fundamental right to vote.” It further orders the agencies to collaborate with ostensibly nonpartisan nonprofits.  

 

Since issuing the order, critics claim, the Biden administration has stonewalled efforts to scrutinize its implementation by often ignoring document requests and litigating to shield relevant records. The critics, including members of Congress, state officials, and government watchdog groups, say the executive branch is attempting to federalize elections with an end-run around constitutionally prescribed state control over voting – in many cases using the resources of agencies with missions unrelated to registering voters. 

 

Some have labeled the president’s order “Bidenbucks,” evoking “Zuckbucks” – Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg and wife Priscilla Chan’s funneling of some $400 million through two nonprofits into election offices across the country during the 2020 election. That money often flowed to left-leaning nonprofits managing critical aspects of election administration that were considered crucial to Biden's winning the White House. 

 

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You know how I usually read these, then go to the source document, then come back here and tell you the article's wrong, and "This is what the source really says..."?

 

Well...this article is dead-on accurate for once.  It might be understating things.  

[IDBillzFan]

Joe Biden with the massive campaign push today.

 

Though I'm pretty sure @Crap Throwing Clavin has a different preference for how he likes his coffee.

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

Joe Biden with the massive campaign push today.

 

Though I'm pretty sure @Crap Throwing Clavin has a different preference for how he likes his coffee.

 

 

 

I like my coffee like I like my women: naked, on their backs, with their legs in the air.

 

Wait...what?

[Ann]

The reason the people don’t trust the government is that the government doesn’t trust the people. I’m here at the courthouse where Trump will be arraigned later today & I’m making a demand to our government: tell us the truth about what’s really driving this flurry of prosecutions, with trial dates set during the height of the upcoming election. That’s why I sued the DOJ this week to tell us exactly what Biden told Garland & what Garland told Jack Smith about the Trump indictments. That’s why I was in Nashville yesterday to demand the release of the transgender school shooter’s manifesto. That’s why I’ve pledged to release the state action files about what the government tells tech companies to suppress. We *can* handle the TRUTH.

 

 

 

 

[Ann]

The fraud squad

 

 

[Ann]

We’re gonna cheat like you’ve never seen before!

 

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

5 hours ago, Ann said:

We’re gonna cheat like you’ve never seen before!

 

 

 

 

It would be easier and cheaper to just have Trump shot.  

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

It would be easier and cheaper to just have Trump shot.  

 

That happens if/when he wins. That way they can turn it into an Archduke Ferdinand moment, launch a new war off the back of it (against whom is irrelevant) with the goal of squashing any and all dissent, sweeping all the ensuing questions and investigations under the rug for at least two-three decades, while also giving the establishment cause to further censor/prune social media, speech, and thought in the name of National Security and fighting the next "enemy".