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On 9/22/2022 at 3:39 PM, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Traditionally, in a recession, the electorate will vote their pocketbooks before they vote the rhetoric.

 

I will admit that that's less certain this time around, when the electorate has become so doctrinaire and party-loyal. 

 

2018 was purely on rhetoric as the economy was doing great

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Crap Throwing Clavin
3 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

2018 was purely on rhetoric as the economy was doing great

 

Economic growth failed to meet expectations, the stock market was down, and the Trump tax cut raised taxes on the middle class.

 

What are you going to believe, your own checking account, or the completely fair, unbiased, factual, and knowledgeable people in the media?

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ANALYSIS: TRUE. Policymakers caused the coming recession — don’t let them blame COVID and Ukraine.

 

 

If, as seems increasingly likely, the United States and world have a hard economic landing next year, of one thing you can be sure: Policymakers both at home and abroad will not assume responsibility. Rather, they’ll point to COVID, a once-in-a-century health crisis, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the primary causes of our economic woes.

 

The truth of the matter, however, is different. Without a series of egregious policy missteps in a number of the world’s major economies, we could have avoided a hard world economic landing.

 

But they’ll act as if it’s something that just kinda happened.

 

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14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

ANALYSIS: TRUE. Policymakers caused the coming recession — don’t let them blame COVID and Ukraine.

 

 

If, as seems increasingly likely, the United States and world have a hard economic landing next year, of one thing you can be sure: Policymakers both at home and abroad will not assume responsibility. Rather, they’ll point to COVID, a once-in-a-century health crisis, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the primary causes of our economic woes.

 

The truth of the matter, however, is different. Without a series of egregious policy missteps in a number of the world’s major economies, we could have avoided a hard world economic landing.

 

But they’ll act as if it’s something that just kinda happened.

 

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It is a combination of both.

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74k as the "living wage" struck me as high 

what say you?

 

 

Public schools are ‘unable to compete’ with private sector as thousands of K-12 staffers quit during back-to-school season (msn.com)

 

Case in point: Many support staff in Florida school districts are earning “poverty wages,” according to the Florida Education Association.  A “living wage” for a single person is $35,858 a year in Florida and $70,504 for a single parent with one child, according to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology living wage calculator.

 

Living Wage Calculator - Living Wage Calculation for Florida (mit.edu)

Living Wage Calculation for Florida

The living wage shown is the hourly rate that an individual in a household must earn to support his or herself and their family. The assumption is the sole provider is working full-time (2080 hours per year). The tool provides information for individuals, and households with one or two working adults and zero to three children.

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seems Biden has taken care of crashing the economy all on his own

 

 

Biden claims Republicans will crash the economy on purpose ahead of midterms: 'Mega-MAGA trickle down' (msn.com)

 

President Biden attacked Republicans in a speech to the Democratic National Committee headquarters on Monday, stoking claims that Republicans would "crash the economy" in an attempt to force him to gut Medicare.

 

 

Polls have shown an increasingly grim picture for Democrats in the final weeks before the midterm elections on November 8. A New York Times poll last week found that 26% of voters say the economy is their most important issue, followed by inflation and cost of living at 18%. Abortion came in third at just 5%. Immigration also landed at 5%, while crime rounded out the top five at 3%.

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10 hours ago, Spartacus said:

seems Biden has taken care of crashing the economy all on his own

 

 

Biden claims Republicans will crash the economy on purpose ahead of midterms: 'Mega-MAGA trickle down' (msn.com)

 

President Biden attacked Republicans in a speech to the Democratic National Committee headquarters on Monday, stoking claims that Republicans would "crash the economy" in an attempt to force him to gut Medicare.

 

 

Polls have shown an increasingly grim picture for Democrats in the final weeks before the midterm elections on November 8. A New York Times poll last week found that 26% of voters say the economy is their most important issue, followed by inflation and cost of living at 18%. Abortion came in third at just 5%. Immigration also landed at 5%, while crime rounded out the top five at 3%.

How can Republicans crash the economy? They are not in control of it.....yet

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21 hours ago, Fansince88 said:

How can Republicans crash the economy? They are not in control of it.....yet

 

They control the economy because they can filibuster, so the Democrats need 60 votes.  

 

When the Republicans have the Senate, they'll control the economy because Democrats will forget all about the filibuster.  

 

To Democrats, Republicans are basically boogeymen hiding under the bed.  Democrats are not serious people.

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17 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

They control the economy because they can filibuster, so the Democrats need 60 votes.  

 

When the Republicans have the Senate, they'll control the economy because Democrats will forget all about the filibuster.  

 

To Democrats, Republicans are basically boogeymen hiding under the bed.  Democrats are not serious people.

 

Just look at what a mess the Republicans made of Obamacare. If they had only stopped voting against it, despite the Democrat supermajority, and busted down the locked doors where the Democrats were cobbling together the abortion in secret, the world would be perfect right now.

 

&#%$in' GOP.

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still don't get acknowledge the economy matters - 

so much so, that pretzel logic is needed to say the opposite

 

 

Why are voters choosing 'the economy' over democracy | Opinion (msn.com)

 

In the last weeks before the 2022 midterms, Democrats have been struggling. A major Times poll indicated that 44 percent of voters said that economic concerns were most important for them in the election, up from 36 percent in July.

 

That’s important because voters who put economics first favored Republicans by more than two to one.

 

Polls like this make it sound like the American people are angry about continuing high inflation and have deprioritized issues like abortion rights and voting rights. As a result, they have turned to Republicans.

 

That may be part of what is happening. But it also seems likely that voters are turning to Republicans, and that they have therefore started referencing Republican talking points about the economy.

 

This seems counterintuitive; economic health has a direct material effect on people. You’d expect that to drive vote choice.

 

But a good deal of research suggests that the opposite is the case. People aren’t pushed into partisan camps by the economy. Rather, people interpret the economy through a partisan lens.

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3 hours ago, Spartacus said:

still don't get acknowledge the economy matters - 

so much so, that pretzel logic is needed to say the opposite

 

 

Why are voters choosing 'the economy' over democracy | Opinion (msn.com)

 

In the last weeks before the 2022 midterms, Democrats have been struggling. A major Times poll indicated that 44 percent of voters said that economic concerns were most important for them in the election, up from 36 percent in July.

 

That’s important because voters who put economics first favored Republicans by more than two to one.

 

Polls like this make it sound like the American people are angry about continuing high inflation and have deprioritized issues like abortion rights and voting rights. As a result, they have turned to Republicans.

 

That may be part of what is happening. But it also seems likely that voters are turning to Republicans, and that they have therefore started referencing Republican talking points about the economy.

 

This seems counterintuitive; economic health has a direct material effect on people. You’d expect that to drive vote choice.

 

But a good deal of research suggests that the opposite is the case. People aren’t pushed into partisan camps by the economy. Rather, people interpret the economy through a partisan lens.

 

Point of note: the author of this opinion piece is a failed comic book reviewer.  :classic_laugh:

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9 hours ago, Spartacus said:

In the last weeks before the 2022 midterms, Democrats have been struggling. A major Times poll indicated that 44 percent of voters said that economic concerns were most important for them in the election, up from 36 percent in July.

 

Say what? The Democrats told me that abortion, white supremacy, mandatory vaccinations, and Green New Deal shit was the most important things for me.

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13 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

 

Say what? The Democrats told me that abortion, white supremacy, mandatory vaccinations, and Green New Deal shit was the most important things for me.

 

And all of those are either caused by or meant to address (GND) economic inequality.  Frickin' duh.  :facepalm:

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It was the economy, stupid (msn.com)

 

Since February, Democrats have been laser-focused on the issue of abortion. And even before that, they were constantly talking about the Jan. 6 riot and the supposed threats to democracy posed by "semifascist" Republican voters.

 

As we suspected all along, and wrote about on more than one occasion, nobody cares about these issues. 

 

Acknowledging this fact, the strategists — including Patrick Gaspard, Stan Greenberg, Celinda Lake, and Mike Lux — urge Democrats to start talking instead about the economy.

 

Democrats appear to be taking this advice seriously. Last Thursday, President Joe Biden actually looked into a camera with a straight face and said that if Republicans win the election, they will crash the economy.

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2 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Since February, Democrats have been laser-focused on the issue of abortion.

 

It's kinda weird that they focus on propagating abortion since banning it would boost birth rates and we all know that they say we need more 3rd World immigrants because the birth rates are low. It would make more sense to boost birth rates of citizens by closing the border and giving juicy tax breaks to parents who work and have more kids (yes, this rules out welfare people because no one wants them reproducing and spawning more generations of the learned helpless).

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