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[Alaska Darin]

 

[SquirminThurman]

15 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's hard not to like and root for Pickett. 

He seems pretty cool. What do you thing his ceiling is as a player?

[Ann]

This is a very long article from the Athletic about the S2 Cognition test. Under each part, there is a pretty detailed explanation what this all means. 

 

Inside the S2 Cognition test that’s transforming how NFL teams evaluate draft prospects

 

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Ally and Wylie are cognitive neuroscientists who were collegiate athletes and decided in 2014 to blend their passions. They generated a testing system — using tests with decades of scientific backing — to formulate the S2 method, and they began logging data for NFL Draft prospects (and players in other sports) in 2016. On a broad scope, the S2 test measures how quickly the brain can process information in real time.

 

S2 Cognition has grown each year. Fifteen NFL teams currently employ their services (the Bears, Bills, Broncos, Cardinals, Chiefs, Colts, Commanders, Cowboys, Falcons, Jets, Panthers, Rams, Saints, Steelers and Titans) — testifying to the growing belief around the NFL in their test’s capabilities. Before the start of the all-star game and bowl circuit, those teams prioritize a list of prospects whom they’d like to analyze, and S2 gets to work. S2 tested roughly 850 players this offseason from in-person visits to all-star games, pro days and any other means to get it done.

 

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“Understanding the playbook and executing the playbook in real time are vastly different things,” Wylie said. “Every coach knows that. Every player knows that. From a cognitive standpoint, what they’re doing on the field is very different.

“By definition, we’re pushing them (in the S2 test) to the point of failure, to the brink of human performance.”

 

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The S2 Cognition test is broken into eight parts, with each focusing on a particular set of skills thanks to the scientific research behind it.

 

Part One: Search efficiency
Part Two: Distraction control
Part Three: Perception speed
Part Four: Spatial memory
Part Five: Impulse control
Part Six: Tracking capacity
Part Seven: Instinctive learning
Part Eight: Decision complexity

 

The necessary context behind the S2 test

 

Players can study and prepare for the Wonderlic because it’s a standardized test. Ally and Wylie are confident that’s not the case with the S2 Cognition test because it’s more of an evaluation into the way a person thinks and processes information in real time. They said there’s typically no significant changes in an athlete’s score if they’ve taken the test multiple times.

 

Of course, there are important factors of preparation, such as being well-rested at the time of the assessment. If they aren’t, that context is important, too.

 

Ally and Wylie also are adamantly against leaking an athlete’s scores. Because they are under contract with 15 NFL teams, those teams legally own the access to the prospects’ results. Why give away something for free — and without context — when their clients are paying for exclusive access?

 

The context is also paramount. Ally and Wylie have spent hours, if not days, with teams to discuss players’ S2 performances. The evaluation isn’t as much about the number as it is the reasoning behind it.

 

</snip>

 

The S2 Cognition test, in their own words, is meant to serve as one piece of the puzzle. At some point down the line, Ally and Wylie believe they’ll have enough data to predict a player’s success rate in the NFL, as they’ve already uncovered in professional baseball.

 

They’ve heard a few NFL general managers say they’ll consistently match up the S2 results with the player’s performance on film. Teams naturally want to understand how to apply these testing results in an appropriate way.

Still, it’s complicated — because the brain is complicated. And the S2 Cognition test is beginning to help teams learn how these players are wired to react on the field.

 

“These (tests) are engineered and designed to capture those brain systems that they use in those split-second, rapid timeframes,” Wylie said. “We’re not messing around here. We’re pushing them to the brink of what humans can do and process.”

[Ann]

Commanders declining DE Chase Young's fifth-year option

 

The Commanders declined to pick up Young's fifth-year option Wednesday, NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero reported. Washington's decision means Young will have just one season (2023) left on his rookie deal.

 

Washington could have mulled this for a few more days, as the NFL's deadline to pick up a fifth-year option on a 2020 first-round pick doesn't arrive until May 2. Instead, the Commanders didn't feel the need to wait any longer, producing cracks in what once was a rock-solid partnership between player and club.

 

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[Jabba The Hutt]

45 minutes ago, SquirminThurman said:

He seems pretty cool. What do you thing his ceiling is as a player?

Joe Burrow

[SquirminThurman]

1 minute ago, Jabba The Hutt said:

Joe Burrow

It was a legitimate question to DR who said the kid is easy to root for.

 

Can he be Kirk Cousins/ Andy Dalton/ David Carr? If so maybe Pittsburgh tries to build around him. If not then Pittsburgh may be a player for a QB this draft or next.

[Jabba The Hutt]

13 minutes ago, SquirminThurman said:

It was a legitimate question to DR who said the kid is easy to root for.

 

Can he be Kirk Cousins/ Andy Dalton/ David Carr? If so maybe Pittsburgh tries to build around him. If not then Pittsburgh may be a player for a QB this draft or next.

Cousins is another good example of his potential ceiling... Joe Burrow is his top floor, I do believe.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, SquirminThurman said:

He seems pretty cool. What do you thing his ceiling is as a player?

 

Probably mid tier, but that's a wild guess. I didn't watch him play much in college, but did catch a few games last year. I love his competitive spirit, and that can sometimes cover-up for some physical limitations to make a good player great. I love that he's with Pittsburgh, they know how to build a team so I think he'll have a good support system compared to most young QBs - but he's likely never going to be a top 3 or top 5 guy. Maybe not even a top 8. Not with the caliber of athletes at the position that are out there today. But he might be one of those guys just on the bubble. 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, SquirminThurman said:

It was a legitimate question to DR who said the kid is easy to root for.

 

Can he be Kirk Cousins/ Andy Dalton/ David Carr? If so maybe Pittsburgh tries to build around him. If not then Pittsburgh may be a player for a QB this draft or next.

 

I think if he turns into Carr, the Steelers will be thrilled. Because Carr on a Steeler built team probably wins a ring at some point in his career. 

[Spartacus]

3 hours ago, Ann said:

This is a very long article from the Athletic about the S2 Cognition test. Under each part, there is a pretty detailed explanation what this all means. 

 

Inside the S2 Cognition test that’s transforming how NFL teams evaluate draft prospects

 

 

S2 Cognition has grown each year. Fifteen NFL teams currently employ their services (the Bears, Bills, Broncos, Cardinals, Chiefs, Colts, Commanders, Cowboys, Falcons, Jets, Panthers, Rams, Saints, Steelers and Titans) — testifying to the growing belief around the NFL in their test’s capabilities. 

 

</snip>

 

Ally and Wylie also are adamantly against leaking an athlete’s scores. Because they are under contract with 15 NFL teams, those teams legally own the access to the prospects’ results. Why give away something for free — and without context — when their clients are paying for exclusive access?

 

 

Since the S2 owners are adamant about not leaking player results, which of the 15 listed teams is source of the leak - which clearly has caused CJ's abilities to be questioned and his draft status to drop? 

 

Teams most likely to benefit from CJ dropping

#4   Colts

#8   Falcons

#11  Titans

 

Also possible is that the Panthers leaked the info to cover their ass when the QB they pick busts.

 

 You make the call

 

https://theathletic.com/4455444/2023/04/27/nfl-draft-s2-cognition-cj-stroud-bryce-young/

 

Ally and Wylie also are adamantly against leaking an athlete’s scores. 

 

Fifteen NFL teams currently employ their services (the Bears, Bills, Broncos, Cardinals, Chiefs, Colts, Commanders, Cowboys, Falcons, Jets, Panthers, Rams, Saints, Steelers and Titans) 

 

 

 

[Nanker]

4 hours ago, Ann said:

This is a very long article from the Athletic about the S2 Cognition test. Under each part, there is a pretty detailed explanation what this all means. 

 

Inside the S2 Cognition test that’s transforming how NFL teams evaluate draft prospects

 

</snip>

 

Ally and Wylie are cognitive neuroscientists who were collegiate athletes and decided in 2014 to blend their passions. They generated a testing system — using tests with decades of scientific backing — to formulate the S2 method, and they began logging data for NFL Draft prospects (and players in other sports) in 2016. On a broad scope, the S2 test measures how quickly the brain can process information in real time.

 

S2 Cognition has grown each year. Fifteen NFL teams currently employ their services (the Bears, Bills, Broncos, Cardinals, Chiefs, Colts, Commanders, Cowboys, Falcons, Jets, Panthers, Rams, Saints, Steelers and Titans) — testifying to the growing belief around the NFL in their test’s capabilities. Before the start of the all-star game and bowl circuit, those teams prioritize a list of prospects whom they’d like to analyze, and S2 gets to work. S2 tested roughly 850 players this offseason from in-person visits to all-star games, pro days and any other means to get it done.

 

</snip>

 

“Understanding the playbook and executing the playbook in real time are vastly different things,” Wylie said. “Every coach knows that. Every player knows that. From a cognitive standpoint, what they’re doing on the field is very different.

“By definition, we’re pushing them (in the S2 test) to the point of failure, to the brink of human performance.”

 

</snip>

 

The S2 Cognition test is broken into eight parts, with each focusing on a particular set of skills thanks to the scientific research behind it.

 

Part One: Search efficiency
Part Two: Distraction control
Part Three: Perception speed
Part Four: Spatial memory
Part Five: Impulse control
Part Six: Tracking capacity
Part Seven: Instinctive learning
Part Eight: Decision complexity

 

The necessary context behind the S2 test

 

Players can study and prepare for the Wonderlic because it’s a standardized test. Ally and Wylie are confident that’s not the case with the S2 Cognition test because it’s more of an evaluation into the way a person thinks and processes information in real time. They said there’s typically no significant changes in an athlete’s score if they’ve taken the test multiple times.

 

Of course, there are important factors of preparation, such as being well-rested at the time of the assessment. If they aren’t, that context is important, too.

 

Ally and Wylie also are adamantly against leaking an athlete’s scores. Because they are under contract with 15 NFL teams, those teams legally own the access to the prospects’ results. Why give away something for free — and without context — when their clients are paying for exclusive access?

 

The context is also paramount. Ally and Wylie have spent hours, if not days, with teams to discuss players’ S2 performances. The evaluation isn’t as much about the number as it is the reasoning behind it.

 

</snip>

 

The S2 Cognition test, in their own words, is meant to serve as one piece of the puzzle. At some point down the line, Ally and Wylie believe they’ll have enough data to predict a player’s success rate in the NFL, as they’ve already uncovered in professional baseball.

 

They’ve heard a few NFL general managers say they’ll consistently match up the S2 results with the player’s performance on film. Teams naturally want to understand how to apply these testing results in an appropriate way.

Still, it’s complicated — because the brain is complicated. And the S2 Cognition test is beginning to help teams learn how these players are wired to react on the field.

 

“These (tests) are engineered and designed to capture those brain systems that they use in those split-second, rapid timeframes,” Wylie said. “We’re not messing around here. We’re pushing them to the brink of what humans can do and process.”

Can we get our POTUS to take this S2 Cognition Test?

[Deranged Rhino]

Questionable source - but there's a lot of smoke DHop is a part of the package. 

 

[Ann]

Lamar Jackson and the Ravens have agreed to terms
 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Questionable source - but there's a lot of smoke DHop is a part of the package. 

 

 

Why?  He's got OBJ, does he really need another #1 receiver to miss?

[Ann]

5 years, no money details yet
 

 

[Ann]

Highest paid player in the NFL
 

 

[Fansince88]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

Highest paid player in the NFL
 

 

Wow! What is his mommy's cut?

[Nanker]

6 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Wow! What is his mommy's cut?

More than his Agent’s. 

[Ann]

Through the entire draft

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

14 minutes ago, Ann said:

Through the entire draft

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't imagine DHop is too happy about that.