Buffalo Bills want a new stadium – and for taxpayers to foot the bill

[Spartacus]

44 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

It's funny to me that the Buffalo area, and NY in general, consistently elect the most batshit crazy leftists to run their cities, counties and states, have the most ridiculous taxes and cost of living, and suddenly having residents pay for a football stadium is a bridge too far.

 

Nut up, folks. Elections have consequences.

the dead don't pay taxes anymore

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[Spartacus]

4 hours ago, Ann said:

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probably going to announce that the new stadium will permanently only allow masked, vaxxed fans to attend in exchange for county funding

[Arm of Harm]

On 3/14/2022 at 11:27 AM, IDBillzFan said:

It's funny to me that the Buffalo area, and NY in general, consistently elect the most batshit crazy leftists to run their cities, counties and states, have the most ridiculous taxes and cost of living, and suddenly having residents pay for a football stadium is a bridge too far.

 

Nut up, folks. Elections have consequences.

Are the state and local governments oppressive? Absolutely! No one is making a cogent argument to the contrary. Does it make sense for the government to pay the majority of the cost for a new stadium? That all depends on whether Buffalo wants to keep the Bills. If Pegula can’t get a mostly paid for stadium in Buffalo, odds are he can find a different city which will give him one. While I agree that the government shouldn’t be using tax money to subsidize NFL player millionaires or owner billionaires, the place to stop that nonsense is at the federal level. If state and local governments are allowed to subsidize professional sports teams, there will always some which will subsidize. You don’t want to see cities which don’t subsidize lose their sports teams to those that do. 

[Spartacus]

5 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

Are the state and local governments oppressive? Absolutely! No one is making a cogent argument to the contrary. Does it make sense for the government to pay the majority of the cost for a new stadium? That all depends on whether Buffalo wants to keep the Bills. If Pegula can’t get a mostly paid for stadium in Buffalo, odds are he can find a different city which will give him one. While I agree that the government shouldn’t be using tax money to subsidize NFL player millionaires or owner billionaires, the place to stop that nonsense is at the federal level. If state and local governments are allowed to subsidize professional sports teams, there will always some which will subsidize. You don’t want to see cities which don’t subsidize lose their sports teams to those that do. 

so you're saying there are too many stupid people who want sports teams 

[Ann]

56 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

so you're saying there are too many stupid people who want sports teams 

 

You are posting on a Buffalo Bills fan board. You may want to be careful with the insinuations. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 hours ago, Ann said:

 

You are posting on a Buffalo Bills fan board. You may want to be careful with the insinuations. 

 

Also want to be careful straying on to my turf...  

[Arm of Harm]

11 hours ago, Spartacus said:

so you're saying there are too many stupid people who want sports teams 

No.  It’s fine for people to want sports teams. Not okay for the NFL or other major sports leagues to use that desire to extort money from taxpayers. The middle class has zero responsibility to subsidize millionaires or billionaires. The way to stop that is to make it illegal at the federal level for communities to subsidize stadiums or other facilities for any of the big four sports leagues. 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

No.  It’s fine for people to want sports teams. Not okay for the NFL or other major sports leagues to use that desire to extort money from taxpayers. The middle class has zero responsibility to subsidize millionaires or billionaires. The way to stop that is to make it illegal at the federal level for communities to subsidize stadiums or other facilities for any of the big four sports leagues. 

  Making it illegal will never happen.  Most of Washington is inhabited by lawyers who run on billable hours.  Stadium issues can generate lots of billable hours.

[Core Four]

41 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

No.  It’s fine for people to want sports teams. Not okay for the NFL or other major sports leagues to use that desire to extort money from taxpayers. The middle class has zero responsibility to subsidize millionaires or billionaires. The way to stop that is to make it illegal at the federal level for communities to subsidize stadiums or other facilities for any of the big four sports leagues. 

 

I don't see this happening.  The federal government doesn't have the authority to regulate commerce at the local level within a state.  Now if the NFL can be defined in the context of interstate commerce, that is a different argument.

Edited March 26, 2022 by Core Four

[Fansince88]

I wonder, how many tax dollars does a Sunday in OP bring to the county? it may be Bills home Staduim but who stands to make the most money. I say the county and State should chip in. Lotsa Taxes to go around.

[Foxx]

NYS is giving $1billion and the NFL is giving $200 million. Kim and Terry are going to have to come up with $200 to $300 million. That shouldn't be a problem with PSL's being considered.

[Foxx]

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Hochul Weighs a $1.4 Billion Stadium for Her Hometown Football Team

[Fansince88]

This is an old article but is telling:

https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/13/little-economic-benefit-from-new-stadium/#:~:text=Modest returns,by players%2C coaches and staff.

 

A study commissioned by the state and conducted by the private consulting firm AECOM found that the Bills generate more than $25 million a year in various taxes. The bulk of that money — $19.5 million — is state income tax paid by players, coaches and staff. 

This said, in todays money I would imagine that is 2x over the above totals. Point is, for those that say state and county should not contribute, then they should not reap reward. 

[Foxx]

54 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

This is an old article but is telling:

https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/13/little-economic-benefit-from-new-stadium/#:~:text=Modest returns,by players%2C coaches and staff.

 

A study commissioned by the state and conducted by the private consulting firm AECOM found that the Bills generate more than $25 million a year in various taxes. The bulk of that money — $19.5 million — is state income tax paid by players, coaches and staff. 

This said, in todays money I would imagine that is 2x over the above totals. Point is, for those that say state and county should not contribute, then they should not reap reward. 

so... at 2x the above totals, the state should recoup that $1bn in 20 years?

[Fansince88]

15 minutes ago, Foxx said:

so... at 2x the above totals, the state should recoup that $1bn in 20 years?

Thats assuming we are a state in 20 years yes. Also assuming the taxes recouped stay the same over 20 years.