COVID-19 Viruses and Vaccines

[Nouseforaname]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

PM agrees to lift pandemic border measures, source says

 

The federal government has decided to drop the vaccination requirement for people entering Canada, end random COVID-19 testing at airports and make the use of the ArriveCan app optional by the end of this month, a senior government source told CBC News.

 

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The current COVID-19 Emergency Order-in-Council relating to border measures was set to expire on Sept. 30. The government had the option of extending the measures. The government is expected to make an official announcement on Monday, the source said.

 

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Must have been hard for Trudeau to make a logical science based decision.

 

[Ann]

CDC

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

[Joe Miner]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Vaccines have never been 100% effective.

 

That may have been how the pubic used and understood the term but it's never been true.

[Spartacus]

8 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

Vaccines have never been 100% effective.

 

That may have been how the pubic used and understood the term but it's never been true.

this is true

vaccines have had limited success in most applications, and ridden the coattails of other factors that stopped the pathogen.

herd immunity and improved hygiene probably at the top of the list

 

 

the covid vax, though, in failing to meet its stated objectives of stopping the acquisition and transmission of the covid virus, takes failure to a new level 

 

the vax and booster, however, did generate a tremendous correlation between its rollout and the explosive spread of the Delta and Omicron variants.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 hours ago, Joe Miner said:

 

Vaccines have never been 100% effective.

 

That may have been how the pubic used and understood the term but it's never been true.

 

Of course, they don't need to be 100% effective.  They need to be effective enough to reduce the transmission rate to below where a pandemic can be sustained.  Most are wildly effective at that.

 

One of the worst things to happen to public health was the successful portrayal of it as being the sum total of individual health results.  It's not.  Vaccines are public health tools, not individual health tools.  

[Joe Miner]

22 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Of course, they don't need to be 100% effective.  They need to be effective enough to reduce the transmission rate to below where a pandemic can be sustained.  Most are wildly effective at that.

 

One of the worst things to happen to public health was the successful portrayal of it as being the sum total of individual health results.  It's not.  Vaccines are public health tools, not individual health tools.  

 

Also true.

 

It doesn't take much to be critical of our covid response.  But when the critique is false that only sets the argument back and focuses it the incorrect statements instead of real problems and solutions.

 

That's why idiots like Spartacus are just noise in the discussion.  They'll just say what sounds good to them without understanding what they're saying assuming that if it lines up with their beliefs it must be true.

 

Vaccine efficacy shouldn't be judged on 100% protection, which seems to be what the quoted tweets was doing.  Acknowledging that doesn't mean the vaccines are perfect.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

4 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

Also true.

 

It doesn't take much to be critical of our covid response.  But when the critique is false that only sets the argument back and focuses it the incorrect statements instead of real problems and solutions.

 

That's why idiots like Spartacus are just noise in the discussion.  They'll just say what sounds good to them without understanding what they're saying assuming that if it lines up with their beliefs it must be true.

 

Vaccine efficacy shouldn't be judged on 100% protection, which seems to be what the quoted tweets was doing.  Acknowledging that doesn't mean the vaccines are perfect.

 

But hey, smallpox was conquered only by herd immunity (What caused the herd immunity?  One of the great mysteries of the world) and...improved hygiene.  

 

Edward Jenner was a tool of Big Pharma, 200 years before Big Pharma existed.  WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

[shrader]

2 hours ago, Joe Miner said:

 

Also true.

 

It doesn't take much to be critical of our covid response.  But when the critique is false that only sets the argument back and focuses it the incorrect statements instead of real problems and solutions.

 

That's why idiots like Spartacus are just noise in the discussion.  They'll just say what sounds good to them without understanding what they're saying assuming that if it lines up with their beliefs it must be true.

 

Vaccine efficacy shouldn't be judged on 100% protection, which seems to be what the quoted tweets was doing.  Acknowledging that doesn't mean the vaccines are perfect.

He’s starting to throw around statistical terms, which is downright hilarious coming from the guy who a month or so ago referred to basic division as fancy statistical methods. 

[SackMan518]

The Epoch Times ran a quiet but profoundly important story yesterday headlined, “Doctor Turns Against Messenger RNA COVID-19 Vaccines, Calls for Global Pause.”

 

This is the missing link we’ve been waiting for: Medical professionals who previously supported the jabs now admitting they were wrong and doing the right thing, which takes almost as much courage as opposing the shots in the first place.

Think about this: none of the doctors who initially opposed the shots have changed their minds.

 

The story explains that Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a telegenic British cardiologist who sits on the board of the Journal of Insulin Resistance, just published a peer-reviewed article in that journal critical of the mRNA shots, in which he called for a worldwide halt of the jabs. His paper is titled, “Curing the pandemic of misinformation on COVID-19 mRNA vaccines through real evidence-based medicine.”

 

The Epoch Times drily added, “Pfizer and Moderna did not return requests for comment.” Haha, I bet they didn’t.

Dr. Malhotra was all-in. He took the jabs himself in January 2021, and the handsome, well-spoken doctor even went on British TV to push the shots. He was 100% convinced the mRNA shots were safe and effective.

 

It took his father dying.

 

About six months after getting the Pfizer vaccine, Dr. Malhotra’s fit and healthy father died at home of a sudden and unexpected heart attack. Dr. Malhotra asked for an autopsy, which showed two of his father’s major arteries severely blocked.

 

So, the doctor began researching post-vaccination injuries, including a study published in the journal Circulation, which showed a higher risk of hear attackd after the mRNA jabs, and a study of Nordic counties showing an elevated risk of myocarditis.

 

Dr. Malhotra now believes his father’s death was caused by the vaccine.

 

It is truly tragic that takes the deaths of people who doctors love to get us to this point. But note that it wasn’t just his father’s death, it was also the two studies he mentioned. Like the JAMA Pediatrics study I reported above about mRNA in breast milk, a critical mass of scientific consensus is building over the jab’s risks.

 

The word is getting out. Legitimate consensus is building. And the building consensus is getting strong enough, and loud enough, to convince at least one doctor to publicly change his position. There will be more.

Believe me, we’re getting there.

[SackMan518]

How to prepare for a hurricane from pResident Moron!

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

24 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

How to prepare for a hurricane from pResident Moron!

 

 

 

Been pretty standard since the start of COVID, well before he was elected: get vaccinated, so you can evacuate in to a shelter with other people in it.

 

And it's always been pretty stupid: always deal with the immediate, potent threat (hurricane, tornado, etc.) at the expense of the distant, hypothetical one.  It's insane risk management people have been recommending.

[realtruelove]

3 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Been pretty standard since the start of COVID, well before he was elected: get vaccinated, so you can evacuate in to a shelter with other people in it.

 

And it's always been pretty stupid: always deal with the immediate, potent threat (hurricane, tornado, etc.) at the expense of the distant, hypothetical one.  It's insane risk management people have been recommending.

They are going to promote the idea that there is a new mini pandemic created by all the COVID germs spreading from the unvaccinated in Florida.  They always play the long game.

[Nouseforaname]

27 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

They are going to promote the idea that there is a new mini pandemic created by all the COVID germs spreading from the unvaccinated in Florida.  They always play the long game.

The Florida man pathogen.

[Spartacus]

what better way to push genetic manipulation forward than to create a global crisis under which global genetic experiments can be conducted

 

Former President Obama ‘Frustrated’ by Slow Progress in Genomics (msn.com)

 

When the first sketches of the human genome were published in the early 2000s, scientists were hopeful they would usher in a new era of medicine. The cost of reading a person’s whole genome, or all their genetic information, has plummeted from about $100 million a person to less than $1,000. But genome sequencing hasn’t yet made it into the mainstream, something that frustrates Obama, who said he became deeply interested in the burgeoning field when he was president.

 

“I’ve been frustrated by the fact that we’re still not maximizing even the data we currently have,” Obama said Wednesday at a conference hosted by Illumina Inc., the main company that makes machines that can read DNA.

 

Obama blames the slow progress on the US health-care system, with incentives that aren’t always straightforward and reward clinicians for providing “disease care” rather than health care.

 

 

 

 

[Koko]

48 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Obama blames the slow progress on the US health-care system, with incentives that aren’t always straightforward and reward clinicians for providing “disease care” rather than health care.

 

Man, if he had only used his supermajority in Congress to pass a massive health care insurance bill that radically reorganized 1/6th of the US economy.

[Uncle Joe]

4 minutes ago, Koko said:

 

Man, if he had only used his supermajority in Congress to pass a massive health care insurance bill that radically reorganized 1/6th of the US economy.

We're probably still trying to figure out what is in that bill.

[IDBillzFan]

On 9/26/2022 at 3:03 PM, Joe Miner said:

It doesn't take much to be critical of our covid response.  But when the critique is false that only sets the argument back and focuses it the incorrect statements instead of real problems and solutions.

 

That's why idiots like Spartacus are just noise in the discussion.  They'll just say what sounds good to them without understanding what they're saying assuming that if it lines up with their beliefs it must be true.

 

Vaccine efficacy shouldn't be judged on 100% protection, which seems to be what the quoted tweets was doing.  Acknowledging that doesn't mean the vaccines are perfect.

 

I understand all of this, however, if we are all in agreement that most people ain't that smart, and we're all in agreement that DC has done a bang-up job pitting people against each other on COVID ("a pandemic of the unvaccinated"), it certainly stands to reason that ain't-so-smart people don't really understand the role of a vaccine after being told repeatedly  by the current administration that if you get the vaccine, you will NOT get Covid.

 

It was clearly a blatant lie to mislead and divide. The Spartacus' of the world notwithstanding, there are good reasons why many people believe a vaccine is 100% effective.

 

Because that is what they were told and for many people, just being told something is good enough for them.