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[Jabba The Hutt]

22 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

 

Good look Sauce, hopefully you'll be wearing our jersey soon enough...

[Ann]

Once a Bills player…

 

 

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 minutes ago, Ann said:

Once a Bills player…

 

 

 

 

 

This Bills team under McDermott is basically the Hotel California.

[Ann]

Playoff pay

 

 

 

 

[Ann]

He’s at Buffalo General

 

 

 

[Rochesterny]

Just read damar to be discharge from hospital and heading back to Buffalo for next stage of recovery.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/damar-hamlin-released-hospital-one-202500102.html

 

[Alaska Darin]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterny said:

Just read damar to be discharge from hospital and heading back to Buffalo for next stage of recovery.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/damar-hamlin-released-hospital-one-202500102.html

 

He's already in Buffalo.

[Rochesterny]

Just now, Alaska Darin said:

He's already in Buffalo.

Awesome. Boy you are quick.😂

[Foxx]

4 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

 

I'm guessing they drove? 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

I'm guessing they drove? 

 

I'm guessing flew.  6.5 hour drive time, probably in medical transportation, vs. an hour's medical flight.  

 

But maybe his lungs still aren't up to altitude.  So I could be wrong.

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

I'm guessing flew.  6.5 hour drive time, probably in medical transportation, vs. an hour's medical flight.  

 

But maybe his lungs still aren't up to altitude.  So I could be wrong.

That was my concern. Being on a ventilator, not sure his lungs were up for the pressurization differences just yet.

[Nanker]

On 1/8/2023 at 5:10 PM, Alaska Darin said:

 

Should be called the Hamlinuance from now on. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Should be called the Hamlinuance from now on. 

 

OBF DAB POMA MNEB*, what say you?

 

 

*Magic Naming Eight Ball

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

I'm guessing flew.  6.5 hour drive time, probably in medical transportation, vs. an hour's medical flight.  

 

But maybe his lungs still aren't up to altitude.  So I could be wrong.

My wife says they said on the news that he flew.

[Nanker]

10 minutes ago, Foxx said:

My wife says they said on the news that he flew.

That’s a mild surprise and a very good sign regarding his health and recovery. 

[3rdnlng]

Something I posted on other social media in response to another post:

 

The amount of signs backing Damar Hamlin just along the highways in WNY is impressive. Something that many people may not know: Back somewhere in 2006 or 2007 a Bill's Tight End named Kevin Everett was paralyzed on a kickoff return. The doctors that attended him used what was then an experimental procedure that reduced his body temperature to (I believe) lessen the affects of the spinal damage. Kevin never played football again but gained a degree of mobility that was previously never thought possible. Ralph Wilson was the Bill's original owner and was instrumental in providing the research monies for the temperature reducing procedure to be studied and eventually implemented. As I recall, Ralph Wilson felt compelled to do more than his fair share in fighting this horrible condition nearly always caused by a violent injury. It just so happened that Marc Buonicotti, son of Nick Buonicotti who was a Hall of Fame middle linebacker and played for the Boston Patriots and then the Miami Dolphins was paralyzed during a football game. Ralph Wilson was one of the 8 original AFL owners who were called "The Foolish Club" for investing in a league that would go head to head with the NFL. Ralph even loaned Al Davis the controversial owner of the Oakland Raiders the money to secure his franchise. Anyway, the point here is that procedure to reduce the body temperature of an injured player was not limited to those with neurological damages but was used as a standard procedure this last week on Damar Hamlin. Kudos to those that donate time, money or other treasures to advance our society and may Karma always be their companion.

 

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[Spartacus]

Well - if the source is even presumed to be a Bills exec, the Super Bowl run is done for calling out Vincent & Goodell.  

 

my guess, though, is that the source could be Aponte, herself - who must be extremely pissed about how the league office handled her over the need for TV ad $.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/09/in-nfl-vs-espn-over-whether-bills-bengals-would-resume-an-espn-reporter-breaks-the-tie/

 

The item from Don Van Natta, Jr. characterizes league official Dawn Aponte, who was at the game, as a voice of reason who was being pushed by Vincent to proceed with the game.

 

“The Lord himself could come down, and we were not going to play again,” an unnamed, high-ranking official from one of the teams told ESPN. “[Aponte] was getting pressure. She was not getting consistent and direct messaging that she deserved to receive.”

Aponte reportedly did not waver.

 

“Whatever crazy nonsense she was getting, man, she held it,” the source told Van Natta regarding Aponte. “She held it strong.”

 

Van Natta’s item makes it clear that the postponement of the game came not from the league office but from the site of the contest.

 

Van Natta’s item also contends that ESPN officiating expert John Parry received word that the game would resume on Monday night from “a senior NFL rules analyst inside the NFL command center.”

 

Then there’s this, from the unnamed source: “The league screws this shit up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up. That’s the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time. . . . He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That’s him to a ‘T’.”

 

The shock waves started last Monday, exacerbated by Vincent’s decision to characterize any suggestion of resuming play as “insensitive” and “ridiculous,” when it would have been perfectly reasonable to explain that the league has a standard protocol that initially was going to be deployed, until it became obvious that the situation called for a different approach.

 

 

[Sig1Hunter]

13 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Well - if the source is even presumed to be a Bills exec, the Super Bowl run is done for calling out Vincent & Goodell.  

 

my guess, though, is that the source could be Aponte, herself - who must be extremely pissed about how the league office handled her over the need for TV ad $.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/09/in-nfl-vs-espn-over-whether-bills-bengals-would-resume-an-espn-reporter-breaks-the-tie/

 

The item from Don Van Natta, Jr. characterizes league official Dawn Aponte, who was at the game, as a voice of reason who was being pushed by Vincent to proceed with the game.

 

“The Lord himself could come down, and we were not going to play again,” an unnamed, high-ranking official from one of the teams told ESPN. “[Aponte] was getting pressure. She was not getting consistent and direct messaging that she deserved to receive.”

Aponte reportedly did not waver.

 

“Whatever crazy nonsense she was getting, man, she held it,” the source told Van Natta regarding Aponte. “She held it strong.”

 

Van Natta’s item makes it clear that the postponement of the game came not from the league office but from the site of the contest.

 

Van Natta’s item also contends that ESPN officiating expert John Parry received word that the game would resume on Monday night from “a senior NFL rules analyst inside the NFL command center.”

 

Then there’s this, from the unnamed source: “The league screws this shit up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up. That’s the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time. . . . He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That’s him to a ‘T’.”

 

The shock waves started last Monday, exacerbated by Vincent’s decision to characterize any suggestion of resuming play as “insensitive” and “ridiculous,” when it would have been perfectly reasonable to explain that the league has a standard protocol that initially was going to be deployed, until it became obvious that the situation called for a different approach.

 

 

I’ve always suspected that the whole “5 minutes to warm up” thibg that Buck and Aikman reported came to them from Parry, who either was going off of what he knew standard protocol to be or received word from NY that that was the plan. 
 

Side note: when Parry was explaining the rules while Damar was down (or shortly thereafter, i cant remember) he referred to Damar as “the player” which still sticks in my craw as cold and robotic. Ive also never been a big fan of the guy. 

[Ann]

This is the original article that PFT referenced in @Spartacus' post above.


 

</snip>

 

While NFL officials insisted that they never intended to restart the Bills-Bengals game, the accounts of coaches, players, union officials and team executives tell another story: Postponing the game was a ground-up decision.

 

"The league did not cancel the game," the team official said. "The Bills and the Bengals canceled the game."

 

</snip>
 

That final decision might have belonged to Goodell, but the first instinct not to play came on the field in Cincinnati.

 

"The ambulance left the field ... and it was crystal clear from everyone's perspective that we could not play," the top team official said. Aponte was speaking nonstop to NFL executives in New York and coaches and officials at the game. "The only chaos was coming ... from the command center."

</snip>
 

The team official placed blame for the league's vacillation squarely on Vincent."

 

The league screws this s--- up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up," the official said. "That's the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time. ... He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That's him to a T."

 

</snip>

 

An hour after Hamlin fell, with the game still not officially postponed, some team officials were confused why NFL executives were delaying the inevitable. Multiple ideas and contingencies were floated from New York, two people with knowledge said, including the idea that the Bills would stay overnight in Cincinnati. That was "almost instantly shot down," a source said.

 

"We felt confusion and nonsense more than pressure," the team official said. "They were still discussing things. In our mind there was nothing to be discussed. ... If they would have said, 'If you leave you're forfeiting the game,' we're still leaving."

 

</snip>

 

At roughly 9:10 p.m. -- 15 minutes after Hamlin fell -- DeMaurice Smith, the leader of the players' union, said he called Goodell. "I was on the phone with Roger immediately," Smith said, "and once I realized just how serious it was, made it clear that I believe that the game should be postponed."

 

At 9:14 p.m., Taylor crossed the field to talk with referees and McDermott, who covered his mouth as he spoke. "I said to Shawn Smith, 'Hey, we're gonna need some time here,'" McDermott said.

 

At that moment, on the ESPN broadcast, play-by-play announcer Joe Buck told viewers: "They're going to try to continue to play this game."

 

Multiple firsthand sources told ESPN that it was a senior NFL rules analyst inside the NFL command center who conveyed the plan to resume play to John Parry, an officiating expert working in the ESPN broadcast booth.

 

What Buck had relayed to more than 23 million TV viewers came from Parry, who had an open line of communication with the NFL rules analyst in the command center. Four times during the stoppage, Buck told viewers that the game would continue, saying one time it was an NFL decision.

 

The broadcast simultaneously showed Bills WR Stefon Diggs trying to rally his teammates and Bengals QB Joe Burrow throwing passes to warm up.

 

"People were saying we were going to play again," Burrow said. "It was just a lot of chaos, a lot of emotions, a lot of people saying different things. We really didn't know what was going on at that point."

 

</snip>

 

At 9:16 p.m., as cameras showed referees huddled with the coaches, Buck told the national TV audience: "They've been given five minutes to quote-unquote get ready to go back to playing. That's the word we get from the league and the word we get from down on the field, but nobody's moving."

 

Also about the same time, ESPN Deportes' Spanish-language play-by-play team, relying on the same information, reported that the teams were operating on a five-minute warmup before resuming play.

 

"The league is telling us that they've given five minutes to warm up again and that the match will begin," Eduardo Varela told the audience.

 

Immediately after their huddle with officials, both teams' coaches sent the players to their locker rooms, and the referee told fans in the stadium that the game was being "temporarily suspended."

 

</snip>

 

In a statement after Vincent's initial comments, ESPN disputed Vincent's denials, saying, "There was constant communication in real time between ESPN and league and game officials. As a result of that, we reported what we were told in the moment and immediately updated fans as new information was learned. This was an unprecedented, rapidly-evolving circumstance. All night long, we refrained from speculation."

 

Parry declined to comment to ESPN beyond saying, "The ESPN statement was accurate."

 

Last week, McCarthy said the NFL rules analyst in the command center was "adamant that at no time did he say anything related to a five-minute warmup period to John Parry. ... John is just plain wrong."

 

"We stand by Troy Vincent's comments and strongly refute this characterization," McCarthy said.

 

Buck told ESPN that what he conveyed to a national audience came from Parry, who was in constant communications with the league office.

 

In an interview, Buck said he was "surprised" to hear Vincent had said that the information about the intended resumption of the game did not come from the league office.

 

"If what I said on national TV with the eyes of the world watching was wrong in the view of the league, I would have been corrected -- immediately," Buck said. "And I was not."

 

Four separate times in a span of 45 minutes, Buck indicated that the game would resume.

 

No one from the league ever asked for a retraction. "We were on the air for another 40 minutes and no one corrected the idea that the game would resume," Buck said. "No one."

 

</snip>
 

[Alaska Darin]

19 minutes ago, Ann said:

This is the original article that PFT referenced in @Spartacus' post above.


 

</snip>

 

While NFL officials insisted that they never intended to restart the Bills-Bengals game, the accounts of coaches, players, union officials and team executives tell another story: Postponing the game was a ground-up decision.

 

"The league did not cancel the game," the team official said. "The Bills and the Bengals canceled the game."

 

</snip>
 

That final decision might have belonged to Goodell, but the first instinct not to play came on the field in Cincinnati.

 

"The ambulance left the field ... and it was crystal clear from everyone's perspective that we could not play," the top team official said. Aponte was speaking nonstop to NFL executives in New York and coaches and officials at the game. "The only chaos was coming ... from the command center."

</snip>
 

The team official placed blame for the league's vacillation squarely on Vincent."

 

The league screws this s--- up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up," the official said. "That's the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time. ... He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That's him to a T."

 

</snip>

 

An hour after Hamlin fell, with the game still not officially postponed, some team officials were confused why NFL executives were delaying the inevitable. Multiple ideas and contingencies were floated from New York, two people with knowledge said, including the idea that the Bills would stay overnight in Cincinnati. That was "almost instantly shot down," a source said.

 

"We felt confusion and nonsense more than pressure," the team official said. "They were still discussing things. In our mind there was nothing to be discussed. ... If they would have said, 'If you leave you're forfeiting the game,' we're still leaving."

 

</snip>

 

At roughly 9:10 p.m. -- 15 minutes after Hamlin fell -- DeMaurice Smith, the leader of the players' union, said he called Goodell. "I was on the phone with Roger immediately," Smith said, "and once I realized just how serious it was, made it clear that I believe that the game should be postponed."

 

At 9:14 p.m., Taylor crossed the field to talk with referees and McDermott, who covered his mouth as he spoke. "I said to Shawn Smith, 'Hey, we're gonna need some time here,'" McDermott said.

 

At that moment, on the ESPN broadcast, play-by-play announcer Joe Buck told viewers: "They're going to try to continue to play this game."

 

Multiple firsthand sources told ESPN that it was a senior NFL rules analyst inside the NFL command center who conveyed the plan to resume play to John Parry, an officiating expert working in the ESPN broadcast booth.

 

What Buck had relayed to more than 23 million TV viewers came from Parry, who had an open line of communication with the NFL rules analyst in the command center. Four times during the stoppage, Buck told viewers that the game would continue, saying one time it was an NFL decision.

 

The broadcast simultaneously showed Bills WR Stefon Diggs trying to rally his teammates and Bengals QB Joe Burrow throwing passes to warm up.

 

"People were saying we were going to play again," Burrow said. "It was just a lot of chaos, a lot of emotions, a lot of people saying different things. We really didn't know what was going on at that point."

 

</snip>

 

At 9:16 p.m., as cameras showed referees huddled with the coaches, Buck told the national TV audience: "They've been given five minutes to quote-unquote get ready to go back to playing. That's the word we get from the league and the word we get from down on the field, but nobody's moving."

 

Also about the same time, ESPN Deportes' Spanish-language play-by-play team, relying on the same information, reported that the teams were operating on a five-minute warmup before resuming play.

 

"The league is telling us that they've given five minutes to warm up again and that the match will begin," Eduardo Varela told the audience.

 

Immediately after their huddle with officials, both teams' coaches sent the players to their locker rooms, and the referee told fans in the stadium that the game was being "temporarily suspended."

 

</snip>

 

In a statement after Vincent's initial comments, ESPN disputed Vincent's denials, saying, "There was constant communication in real time between ESPN and league and game officials. As a result of that, we reported what we were told in the moment and immediately updated fans as new information was learned. This was an unprecedented, rapidly-evolving circumstance. All night long, we refrained from speculation."

 

Parry declined to comment to ESPN beyond saying, "The ESPN statement was accurate."

 

Last week, McCarthy said the NFL rules analyst in the command center was "adamant that at no time did he say anything related to a five-minute warmup period to John Parry. ... John is just plain wrong."

 

"We stand by Troy Vincent's comments and strongly refute this characterization," McCarthy said.

 

Buck told ESPN that what he conveyed to a national audience came from Parry, who was in constant communications with the league office.

 

In an interview, Buck said he was "surprised" to hear Vincent had said that the information about the intended resumption of the game did not come from the league office.

 

"If what I said on national TV with the eyes of the world watching was wrong in the view of the league, I would have been corrected -- immediately," Buck said. "And I was not."

 

Four separate times in a span of 45 minutes, Buck indicated that the game would resume.

 

No one from the league ever asked for a retraction. "We were on the air for another 40 minutes and no one corrected the idea that the game would resume," Buck said. "No one."

 

</snip>
 

I said it that night and I'll say it again here:  We are all very fortunate that Sean McDermott and Zack Taylor are men of impeccable character who care more about people than they do about football.

 

I know the guys at the NFL were thinking like the Skip Bayless' of the world.  Shame on them.