UFOs and Sitcom Math

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, devnull said:

Yeah whenever I see that guy, my spidey sense says he's part of the charade

 

Yuuup. His entire group are former intelligence officers, backed by Tom Delonge. Lots and lots of red flags around them all.

 

[devnull]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Yuuup. His entire group are former intelligence officers, backed by Tom Delonge. Lots and lots of red flags around them all.

 

And yet you post a link to him...

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, devnull said:

And yet you post a link to him...

 

True, but in the fun thread 🙂 Even if he's pushing partial disclosure, it's still moving the ball a bit forward. 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

You know what the best argument for UFOs is that I've heard?

 

Roswell, UFO crashes in 1947.

F-4 Phantom II: first flight, 1958.

X-15: first flight, 1959.

A-12 (forerunner of SR-71): first flight, 1962.

XB-70 Valkyrie: first flight 1964.

 

Within about 15 years after a UFO crashes in Roswell, three aircraft stupidly in advance of everything else in the world flying make their first flights.

 

Of course, it's demonstrably bullshit.  The F-4 clearly derives from the F3H Demon (the biggest innovation was using reliable GE instead of Allison engines), the Valkyrie evolved through several programs and borrowed technology from several other programs (including the B-58 Hustler and F-104 Starfighter).  The major innovative components of the X-15 started development as early as 1943.  

 

But other than being pure grade-A USDA certified crap, it's a great argument.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

You know what the best argument for UFOs is that I've heard?

 

Roswell, UFO crashes in 1947.

F-4 Phantom II: first flight, 1958.

X-15: first flight, 1959.

A-12 (forerunner of SR-71): first flight, 1962.

XB-70 Valkyrie: first flight 1964.

 

Within about 15 years after a UFO crashes in Roswell, three aircraft stupidly in advance of everything else in the world flying make their first flights.

 

Of course, it's demonstrably bullshit.  The F-4 clearly derives from the F3H Demon (the biggest innovation was using reliable GE instead of Allison engines), the Valkyrie evolved through several programs and borrowed technology from several other programs (including the B-58 Hustler and F-104 Starfighter).  The major innovative components of the X-15 started development as early as 1943.  

 

But other than being pure grade-A USDA certified crap, it's a great argument.

 

 

Thats just Choice crap.  I only buy the Prime crap. 

 

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

Thats just Choice crap.  I only buy the Prime crap. 

 

 

 

 

Here you go, then.

https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Power-Season/dp/B09QH98YG1

[snafu]

5 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Here you go, then.

https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Power-Season/dp/B09QH98YG1

Oh yeah, I watched that!

 

 

[devnull]

8 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

Here you go, then.

https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Power-Season/dp/B09QH98YG1

 

I wanted to like it.  I wanted to, really.

 

But it was just bad.  😞

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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[devnull]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

[Hedge]

This is quite the thread:

 

 

I used to look forward to disclosure. Not anymore. And remember, if and when it comes, nothing has changed. ETs have been out there (probably) and haven't wiped us out. Now that the string pullers have their puppet in the White House, this will be used for more fear mongering and nefarious purposes than anything we have seen to date, by far. Humanity must unify against this threat!!! And with that "unification" will come the loss of even more freedoms and privacies. It will be RIP, but not because of anything otherworldly.

[Deranged Rhino]

When even Barstool is getting in on these kinds of stories, it seems clear that we've reached some sort of tipping point as a society when it comes to discussing this phenomenon. 

 

It sure seems like the pace is picking up on this conversation - and it's no longer cloaked in the tinfoil hat, "crazy conspiracy" music or preambles that typically prefaced these kinds of stories in the mainstream prior to 2017. 

 

2021-2025 has long been pinpointed as the window for (massive, undeniable) disclosure - maybe those people were right... we'll find out in the next year and a half. 

[Foxx]

Interesting...

 

[Deranged Rhino]

On 5/9/2023 at 6:59 PM, Foxx said:

Interesting...

 

 

That seems like a pretty big problem for Space Force... 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

23 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That seems like a pretty big problem for Space Force... 

 

 

It's why we have a Space Force.

 

Do you want a force dedicated to this?  Or a portion of the Air Force performing a secondary mission putting this on the shelf?

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

It's why we have a Space Force.

 

Do you want a force dedicated to this?  Or a portion of the Air Force performing a secondary mission putting this on the shelf?

 

I didn't read the article yet - but I assume the Chinese are docking with their own satellites as a means of demonstrating how they can do the same to ours or anyone else's? 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I didn't read the article yet - but I assume the Chinese are docking with their own satellites as a means of demonstrating how they can do the same to ours or anyone else's? 

 

More likely that China simply launched an inert docking harness at some point so they could practice docking a space plane remotely.  Has nothing to do with demonstrating an adversarial capability, which is an order of magnitude more difficult.

 

It's actually a lot more difficult to dock even with a platform that you control than most people realize.  Imagine driving down the highway, trying to just touch the bumper of another car at highway speeds. 

 

Now imagine you've got three lanes, and the target car has a constant speed and is limited to middle lane, and you can use all three lanes...but you only go slightly faster than the target car in the left lane, and slightly slower in the right, and the same speed in the middle.  

 

Now do it with a vehicle you're driving for the first time.  And you're driving it by remote control.

 

Now do it in three dimensions.

 

THAT's what docking a space plane to an inert harness you control would be like.  That's what the Chinese probably did.

 

NOW imagine that you have the same speed and direction constraints...but now you're in a salt flat.  And you're entering the salt flat going in a different direction than the target car (same general direction, but at an angle - say, target's going north, you enter the salt flat going northwest).  So NOW you have to match the target car's direction (without making drastic turns - imagine you have to do it with nothing but lane shifts) before you start shifting lanes to speed up and slow down to tap bumpers.  And you're doing THAT in three dimensions.

 

And by the way, you don't know the target car's exact direction.  Only roughly, within a degree or two of angle.  

 

That's is what docking a space plane to an orbital object you do not own would be like.  That is a LOT more difficult.

 

There's a reason Buzz Aldrin was awarded a doctorate for his 350-page dissertation (which is a huge dissertation) describing how to do it.  The first rendezvous of two spacecraft - not docking, just orbiting close together - was Gemini VI, the 14th manned mission.  The first actual docking was Gemini VII...and resulted in a successful docking, but truncated mission and emergency landing.  Dockings of capsules with the ISS still fail occasionally, and that's with two objects that are actively cooperating to link up.  This shit is really hard, and it's impressive enough that China showed the ability to do it with two unmanned platforms.

 

 

[Jabba The Hutt]

14 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

More likely that China simply launched an inert docking harness at some point so they could practice docking a space plane remotely.  Has nothing to do with demonstrating an adversarial capability, which is an order of magnitude more difficult.

 

It's actually a lot more difficult to dock even with a platform that you control than most people realize.  Imagine driving down the highway, trying to just touch the bumper of another car at highway speeds. 

 

Now imagine you've got three lanes, and the target car has a constant speed and is limited to middle lane, and you can use all three lanes...but you only go slightly faster than the target car in the left lane, and slightly slower in the right, and the same speed in the middle.  

 

Now do it with a vehicle you're driving for the first time.  And you're driving it by remote control.

 

Now do it in three dimensions.

 

THAT's what docking a space plane to an inert harness you control would be like.  That's what the Chinese probably did.

 

NOW imagine that you have the same speed and direction constraints...but now you're in a salt flat.  And you're entering the salt flat going in a different direction than the target car (same general direction, but at an angle - say, target's going north, you enter the salt flat going northwest).  So NOW you have to match the target car's direction (without making drastic turns - imagine you have to do it with nothing but lane shifts) before you start shifting lanes to speed up and slow down to tap bumpers.  And you're doing THAT in three dimensions.

 

And by the way, you don't know the target car's exact direction.  Only roughly, within a degree or two of angle.  

 

That's is what docking a space plane to an orbital object you do not own would be like.  That is a LOT more difficult.

 

There's a reason Buzz Aldrin was awarded a doctorate for his 350-page dissertation (which is a huge dissertation) describing how to do it.  The first rendezvous of two spacecraft - not docking, just orbiting close together - was Gemini VI, the 14th manned mission.  The first actual docking was Gemini VII...and resulted in a successful docking, but truncated mission and emergency landing.  Dockings of capsules with the ISS still fail occasionally, and that's with two objects that are actively cooperating to link up.  This shit is really hard, and it's impressive enough that China showed the ability to do it with two unmanned platforms.

 

 

Don't tell me docking is hard...it's my specialty