What do you think of the officiating in the NFL?

[Nouseforaname]

24 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

If that's the worst thing about soccer's rules, it's doing pretty well.

 

I mean, imagine if they had NFL-style rules.  "After further review, the goal is disallowed, because the goal scorer, after receiving the ball, did not maintain possession and make one soccer move before kicking."

 

Imagine a sport where this is considered as not crossing the line…

[SquirminThurman]

The beautiful irony of comparing soccer (world football) and football (American football) is that rugby style sports developed from Soccer. The original has a clear rulebook that the entire planet can agree on that is less than 20 pages. In the USA we play a long developed derivative of the game and have different rule sets for each level of competition. Pop Warner/ High School/ College/ NFL and CFL (Canada did a lot to help develop the sport we love) all play by different rules.

 

Can any rugby fans chime in? From time to time my interest in rugby picks up, but it never sticks. Mostly a lack of exposure. I believe there are a base set of rugby rules for international play that most leagues and clubs play by too.

Edited March 26, 2023 by SquirminThurman

[Spartacus]

The NFL intertwines itself with sports gambling

and people still can't see the obvious benefits the NFL can realize from influencing the outcomes of games thru the refs

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/27/nfl-owners-will-vote-on-allowing-in-stadium-sports-books-to-stay-open-on-game-days/

 

The league has already allowed sports books to operate inside NFL stadiums, but the current rules require those casinos to be closed on game day. That will no longer be the case if owners vote to adopt this rule change.

[Ann]

Officiating crews for the 2023 season

The list of the 17 crews and swing officials for the 2023 NFL season.

 

Football Zebras has obtained the officiating crew rosters for the 2023 NFL season. This season, there are 12 new officials to replace 12 that retired or quit or were otherwise not retained. There are also 2 veterans designated as swing officials, both at the umpire position, who will move between crews through the season.

 

There is also a new referee this season, Alan Eck, who becomes the 9th new referee in the past 6 years. He is replacing 19-year veteran referee Jerome Boger, who retired during the offseason. Boger’s crew was disbanded, and Eck does not have any of those officials on his crew this season.

 

Crews

Crew members are listed with their years of NFL experience, including the upcoming season, the crew they were on last season, the college attended, and occupation. A replay official and replay assistant are assigned to each crew.

 

*indicates an official who is on the same crew as last season. Veteran officials who have changed positions from last season are noted on each crew. Information for first-year officials will be updated when available.

 

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What follows at the link is the refs, years a ref, and occupations.

 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

Officiating crews for the 2023 season

The list of the 17 crews and swing officials for the 2023 NFL season.

 

Football Zebras has obtained the officiating crew rosters for the 2023 NFL season. This season, there are 12 new officials to replace 12 that retired or quit or were otherwise not retained. There are also 2 veterans designated as swing officials, both at the umpire position, who will move between crews through the season.

 

There is also a new referee this season, Alan Eck, who becomes the 9th new referee in the past 6 years. He is replacing 19-year veteran referee Jerome Boger, who retired during the offseason. Boger’s crew was disbanded, and Eck does not have any of those officials on his crew this season.

 

Crews

Crew members are listed with their years of NFL experience, including the upcoming season, the crew they were on last season, the college attended, and occupation. A replay official and replay assistant are assigned to each crew.

 

*indicates an official who is on the same crew as last season. Veteran officials who have changed positions from last season are noted on each crew. Information for first-year officials will be updated when available.

 

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What follows at the link is the refs, years a ref, and occupations.

 

 

Pretty sure Boger retired about 17 years ago and just forgot to mention it to anybody.  

[Spartacus]

18 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

Pretty sure Boger retired about 17 years ago and just forgot to mention it to anybody.  

Boger was highly valued by the NFL.

Able to deliver desired outcomes almost all the time.

 

inventing questionable calls was never a problem in pursuit of manipulating a game

 

[Alaska Darin]

Unreal.

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

16 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

Unreal.

 

 

 

I've been seeing that a lot in the regular season the past two seasons.  The Bills o-line probably averaged 1-2 uncalled false starts per game last season.

 

That's what made those calls in the last preseason game all the more painful.  It was like the officials happened to skim the rule-book before the game and say "Oh, yeah...false starts.  I remember these!"

[Spartacus]

well- at least 1 NFL coach believes the league uses the refs to influence game outcomes

at least to stack the deck against certain teams or certain games

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sean-paytons-mistrust-of-the-league-office-lingers

 

 

A study of penalties committed against each team in the prior four seasons showed that the Saints ranked 30th, 31st, 32nd, and 32nd in penalties called against their opponents. If it’s happenstance, it’s an extreme statistical rarity.

 

Payton’s not-so-subtle message was and is that the league’s bias against the Saints showed itself in the penalties not called against its opponents.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Spartacus

[Foxx]

5 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

well- at least 1 NFL coach believes the league uses the refs to influence game outcomes

at least to stack the deck against certain games or certain games

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sean-paytons-mistrust-of-the-league-office-lingers

 

 

A study of penalties committed against each team in the prior four seasons showed that the Saints ranked 30th, 31st, 32nd, and 32nd in penalties called against their opponents. If it’s happenstance, it’s an extreme statistical rarity.

 

Payton’s not-so-subtle message was and is that the league’s bias against the Saints showed itself in the penalties not called against its opponents.

I guess Sean is about to find out if it's personal or not.

[Foxx]

On 8/25/2023 at 1:10 PM, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

I've been seeing that a lot in the regular season the past two seasons.  The Bills o-line probably averaged 1-2 uncalled false starts per game last season.

 

That's what made those calls in the last preseason game all the more painful.  It was like the officials happened to skim the rule-book before the game and say "Oh, yeah...false starts.  I remember these!"

I think they do some facsimile of this every pre-season, don't they? They pick an area of focus and are overzealous about it. Once the season arrives, it's back to a more uniform enforcement policy. 

[Ann]

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[Nanker]

I think The League has a vested interest in seeing the JESTS in the Playoffs this year and will instruct their employees to facilitate that outcome. 

[Ann]

It was a bad one last night (KC vs Detroit). I do wonder why some players get a pass, and others get called immediately?
 

 

[Ann]

Egregious. How badly do the refs swing to a correction?
 

 

[Ann]

This basically sums up @NFLOfficiating

[Spartacus]

2 hours ago, Ann said:

It was a bad one last night (KC vs Detroit). I do wonder why some players get a pass, and others get called immediately?
 

 

why are certain players singled out?

 

because the league has directed the refs of the outcome they would prefer?

 

always easier to hit the "penalty prone" guy to minimize questions 

[Ann]

30 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

why are certain players singled out?

 

because the league has directed the refs of the outcome they would prefer?

 

always easier to hit the "penalty prone" guy to minimize questions 

Why do some guys get a pass.  I'd argue Sauce Gardner did last year as a rookie. Why?

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

Why do some guys get a pass.  I'd argue Sauce Gardner did last year as a rookie. Why?

he plays for the Jets in NYC

HQ trying to make the NYC market relevant 

so promote and protect its most marketable players

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, Ann said:

Why do some guys get a pass.  I'd argue Sauce Gardner did last year as a rookie. Why?

 

24 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

he plays for the Jets in NYC

HQ trying to make the NYC market relevant 

so promote and protect its most marketable players

Yes. The fix is in. Major market teams and SB Champions get a ticket to ride.