Texans GM Nick Caserio: 'Zero interest' in trading Deshaun Watson

[Spartacus]

3 hours ago, Nanker said:

They were told right here by Spartacus.

4-6 is on the high end

could be none,

as he hurt a bunch of twitter bot feelings, but not much else

 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

21 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

4-6 is on the high end

could be none,

as he hurt a bunch of twitter bot feelings, but not much else

 

 

 

You're wrong.

[Alaska Darin]

A buncha somebodies got paid.

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker 2.0]

[Ann]

This decision has to be soon, right?

 

Report: Browns will pursue a backup to Jacoby Brissett, if Deshaun Watson is suspended for “lengthy” period

[Spartacus]

On 7/15/2022 at 1:09 PM, Alaska Darin said:

A buncha somebodies got paid.

 

 

only 1 of the 30 was included in the Watson list of plaintiffs

another group of money grab nuisance suits settled

probably for minimum amount of money, as their claims weren't even sufficient to make the Buzbee circus train

 

 

 

[devnull]

46 minutes ago, Ann said:

Report: Browns will pursue a backup to Jacoby Brissett, if Deshaun Watson is suspended for “lengthy” period

 

Shoulda just swapped Mayfield for Darnold

[Spartacus]

1 minute ago, devnull said:

 

Shoulda just swapped Mayfield for Darnold

no need 

Watson will play

[Ann]

Federal court, for what? The NFLPA agreed to a contract, the league suspends players for conduct. 
 

 

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

4 hours ago, Ann said:

Federal court, for what? The NFLPA agreed to a contract, the league suspends players for conduct. 
 

 

 

Don't know...but it would be so typical of the NFLPA to, instead of filing a complaint with the NLRB, which always rules for the unions no matter what, to file in federal court instead and ultimately lose.

 

Even by the low standards I hold unions, the NFLPA is a shit union.

[Ann]

"No leaks" is a good thing:
 

 

[Spartacus]

5 hours ago, Ann said:

"No leaks" is a good thing:
 

 

reports suggest that NFL did not submit any evidence of violent behavior which may lead to 0 game suspension from Robinson.  she may be giving NFL time to save face by settling for time served for not playing in 2021, possible fine.

 

no suspension in 2022 

[Ann]

2 hours ago, Spartacus said:

reports suggest that NFL did not submit any evidence of violent behavior which may lead to 0 game suspension from Robinson.  she may be giving NFL time to save face by settling for time served for not playing in 2021, possible fine.

 

no suspension in 2022 

What reports?

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

2 minutes ago, Ann said:

What reports?

 

DAB POMA reports.

[Spartacus]

3 hours ago, Ann said:

What reports?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/04/taking-a-closer-look-at-the-nfls-case-against-deshaun-watson/

 

After interviewing only 12 of the women who have made allegations against Watson, the league presented evidence as to five persons who provided massages to Watson. The 24 lawsuits, the 66 or more strangers who were retained for private massages, and the allegation made in at least one of the lawsuits that the actual number exceeds 100 apparently weren’t part of the case against him.

The NFL’s case focused on five people. And, as PFT reported last week, that evidence included no proof of violence or threats or any type of physical conduct that would constitute actual assault.

 

The Personal Conduct Policy expressly prohibits “assault and/or battery, including sexual assault or other sex offenses.” If there’s no sexual assault, that specific provision of the policy hasn’t been violated.

And that’s the provision that creates a baseline suspension of six games per offense. Here’s the key language of the policy: “With regard to violations of the Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery (felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence, child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors.”

 

Without proof of “sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent,” there’s no violation of that specific provision. (It’s possible that the league will try to argue that the circumstances suggest that the persons were not capable of giving consent, but that typically refers to someone who is underage or incapacitated in some way, for example, someone who is unconscious due to alcohol or drug consumption.)

 

Absent evidence of an actual sexual assault, the league’s case rests on two catch-all provisions at the bottom of a list of bullet points in the policy: (1) “conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person”; and (2) “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel.” The argument would be that Watson’s habit of trying to steer massages toward sexual encounters falls within either or both of these prohibitions.

 

But that’s where the lack of discipline for Patriots owner Robert Kraft complicates the league’s case. If no action was taken against Kraft for having a massage that allegedly became a sexual encounter, how can the league discipline Watson for the same thing?

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

19 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/04/taking-a-closer-look-at-the-nfls-case-against-deshaun-watson/

 

After interviewing only 12 of the women who have made allegations against Watson, the league presented evidence as to five persons who provided massages to Watson. The 24 lawsuits, the 66 or more strangers who were retained for private massages, and the allegation made in at least one of the lawsuits that the actual number exceeds 100 apparently weren’t part of the case against him.

The NFL’s case focused on five people. And, as PFT reported last week, that evidence included no proof of violence or threats or any type of physical conduct that would constitute actual assault.

 

The Personal Conduct Policy expressly prohibits “assault and/or battery, including sexual assault or other sex offenses.” If there’s no sexual assault, that specific provision of the policy hasn’t been violated.

And that’s the provision that creates a baseline suspension of six games per offense. Here’s the key language of the policy: “With regard to violations of the Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery (felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence, child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors.”

 

Without proof of “sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent,” there’s no violation of that specific provision. (It’s possible that the league will try to argue that the circumstances suggest that the persons were not capable of giving consent, but that typically refers to someone who is underage or incapacitated in some way, for example, someone who is unconscious due to alcohol or drug consumption.)

 

Absent evidence of an actual sexual assault, the league’s case rests on two catch-all provisions at the bottom of a list of bullet points in the policy: (1) “conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person”; and (2) “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel.” The argument would be that Watson’s habit of trying to steer massages toward sexual encounters falls within either or both of these prohibitions.

 

But that’s where the lack of discipline for Patriots owner Robert Kraft complicates the league’s case. If no action was taken against Kraft for having a massage that allegedly became a sexual encounter, how can the league discipline Watson for the same thing?

 

The key point being, though, that the Personal Conduct Policy is very much subject to broad interpretation and amendment by Goodell.  

 

There's nothing preventing him from saying "You didn't violate the policy...but I'm suspending you for four games just because."  Not even the NFLPA can prevent that, because in their infinite wisdom they collectively bargained their rights away when it comes to player discipline.

[Spartacus]

9 hours ago, Crap Throwing Clavin said:

 

The key point being, though, that the Personal Conduct Policy is very much subject to broad interpretation and amendment by Goodell.  

 

There's nothing preventing him from saying "You didn't violate the policy...but I'm suspending you for four games just because."  Not even the NFLPA can prevent that, because in their infinite wisdom they collectively bargained their rights away when it comes to player discipline.

which is why, when Robinson does not impose any penalty based on the lack of evidence presented, Goodell is prevented from imposing his discretionary nonsense.

 

He can only adjust the penalty, he can't override a no penalty decision.

 

The NFL has to settle to save face.

2021 time served, maybe some fine.

no future suspension.  

 

also why the NFL conducted their media blitz calling for maximum penalty,

only to be stopped by the independent judge- totally outside the NFL's control.

not our fault! - we tried!

[Ann]

11 hours ago, Spartacus said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/04/taking-a-closer-look-at-the-nfls-case-against-deshaun-watson/

 

After interviewing only 12 of the women who have made allegations against Watson, the league presented evidence as to five persons who provided massages to Watson. The 24 lawsuits, the 66 or more strangers who were retained for private massages, and the allegation made in at least one of the lawsuits that the actual number exceeds 100 apparently weren’t part of the case against him.

The NFL’s case focused on five people. And, as PFT reported last week, that evidence included no proof of violence or threats or any type of physical conduct that would constitute actual assault.

 

The Personal Conduct Policy expressly prohibits “assault and/or battery, including sexual assault or other sex offenses.” If there’s no sexual assault, that specific provision of the policy hasn’t been violated.

And that’s the provision that creates a baseline suspension of six games per offense. Here’s the key language of the policy: “With regard to violations of the Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery (felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence, child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors.”

 

Without proof of “sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent,” there’s no violation of that specific provision. (It’s possible that the league will try to argue that the circumstances suggest that the persons were not capable of giving consent, but that typically refers to someone who is underage or incapacitated in some way, for example, someone who is unconscious due to alcohol or drug consumption.)

 

Absent evidence of an actual sexual assault, the league’s case rests on two catch-all provisions at the bottom of a list of bullet points in the policy: (1) “conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person”; and (2) “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel.” The argument would be that Watson’s habit of trying to steer massages toward sexual encounters falls within either or both of these prohibitions.

 

But that’s where the lack of discipline for Patriots owner Robert Kraft complicates the league’s case. If no action was taken against Kraft for having a massage that allegedly became a sexual encounter, how can the league discipline Watson for the same thing?

PFT is all over the place...

Browns quietly brace for eight-game Deshaun Watson suspension
 

[Spartacus]

5 hours ago, Ann said:

PFT is all over the place...

Browns quietly brace for eight-game Deshaun Watson suspension
 

notice it's not a year anymore

Browns can't totally  ignore the possibility of a 2022 suspension

but what have they done to support this concern?

they haven't panicked to bring in a QB (and traded away one), so they may not think a 2022 suspension is likely

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