COVID-19 Viruses and Vaccines

[IDBillzFan]

4 hours ago, Meazza said:

If COVID was more lethal and as contagious as it is now, would you be against mandates?

 

This kind of feels like a "If you take away that screen play, you'd have to admit Heineke's numbers were really bad."

 

My question would be; how much more lethal than it is now? What percentage are we talking about? Five percent dead from Covid? Ten percent? Fifteen? In the end, once the number gets high enough, you won't need a mandate.

 

Based on the current death rate...a mandate is nothing more than a power grab and political tool to divide. And man, this government LOVES to divide. A bit more division...maybe some rioting and shootings...and they'll have no problem getting that 3.5T money laundering bill passed through some odd political procedure that no one will question. Maybe even slide in that reconciliation bill. ANd more money for the unemployed. And schools. And climate change.

 

Hard to look at the government when you're fighting with your neighbors and family, and that is precisely what the mandate and the vaccine nutbags are counting on.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by IDBillzFan

[Nouseforaname]

6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

This kind of feels like a "If you take away that screen play, you'd have to admit Heineke's numbers were really bad."

 

My question would be; how much more lethal than it is now? What percentage are we talking about? Five percent dead from Covid? Ten percent? Fifteen? In the end, once the number gets high enough, you won't need a mandate.

 

Based on the current death rate...a mandate is nothing more than a power grab and political tool to divide. And man, this government LOVES to divide. A bit more division...maybe some rioting and shootings...and they'll have no problem getting that 3.5T money laundering bill passed through some odd political procedure that no one will question. Maybe even slide in that reconciliation bill. ANd more money for the unemployed. And schools. And climate change.

 

Hard to look at the government when you're fighting with your neighbors and family, and that is precisely what the mandate and the vaccine nutbags are counting on.

 

 

 

 

 

There are still enough people who think that deaths from Covid were actually the flu or that it was greatly exaggerated or that some medication touted by trump for a few weeks was the recipe for success.

[NCBillsFan]

A few things about the Spanish flu..

 

It killed an estimated 50 million worldwide when the population was around 2 billion.

 

Unlike covid, it took a huge toll on the younger population. Cytokine storm would lay waste to victims in a very short period of time. Bodies piled on front porches and mass graves in major US cities.

 

If we were to see anything like the Spanish Flu or worse we were always going to be in trouble. If we see something emerge on that level in the next few decades we are now in deep, deep trouble because trust in science, medicine and public health has eroded to nothing. 

 

Of course, that will happen when you put measures in place that were designed to deal with a far worse pandemic than what we actually experienced. 

[Nouseforaname]

10 minutes ago, NCBillsFan said:

A few things about the Spanish flu..

 

It killed an estimated 50 million worldwide when the population was around 2 billion.

 

Unlike covid, it took a huge toll on the younger population. Cytokine storm would lay waste to victims in a very short period of time. Bodies piled on front porches and mass graves in major US cities.

 

If we were to see anything like the Spanish Flu or worse we were always going to be in trouble. If we see something emerge on that level in the next few decades we are now in deep, deep trouble because trust in science, medicine and public health has eroded to nothing. 

 

Of course, that will happen when you put measures in place that were designed to deal with a far worse pandemic than what we actually experienced. 

As much as I agree that the politicians and experts shit the bed, would any of this have been different had they been reasonable ?

 

As early as April 2020, hcq was the miracle drug and we should have reopened our society.  This after very little data and a clearly worsening pandemic.  We live in a pampered society.  

[Taro T]

57 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Treatments for viral diseases haven't advanced much in the past 100 years.  Prevention has...but not treatment.  Most of the advances are in the past 30, and are still of limited efficacy.

 

When it comes to viruses, treatment is still little more than basic nursing and supportive care.

 

True.  Probably should've chosen better phrasing in my response.  But there are items such as Tamiflu which help with some and the therapies for dealing with respiratory ailments have come a long way since the iron lung.  Heck, we even found out during this crisis that there are better treatments than sticking a patient on a ventilator & hoping for the best.

 

 

[Nouseforaname]

18 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

True.  Probably should've chosen better phrasing in my response.  But there are items such as Tamiflu which help with some and the therapies for dealing with respiratory ailments have come a long way since the iron lung.  Heck, we even found out during this crisis that there are better treatments than sticking a patient on a ventilator & hoping for the best.

 

 

There are treatments but what happens when hospitals are overloaded ?

 

I’d refer you to Alberta which is now in a crisis mode.

[Spartacus]

56 minutes ago, Meazza said:

There are treatments but what happens when hospitals are overloaded ?

 

I’d refer you to Alberta which is now in a crisis mode.

stop the fear porn- this is not the death plague

99.97% recover

 

maybe advertise the alternate treatments as much as the jab has been pushed and allow the treatments to be readily available, like the rest of the world

 

would greatly reduce any reliance on hospitals 

[Nouseforaname]

1 minute ago, Spartacus said:

stop the fear porn- this is not the death plague

99.97% recover

 

maybe advertise the alternate treatments as much as the jab has been pushed and allow the treatments to be readily available, like the rest of the world

 

would greatly reduce any reliance on hospitals 

 

99.97.  Ok

 

thanks billstime

[GG1]

26 minutes ago, Meazza said:

 

99.97.  Ok

 

thanks billstime

That's the right # though (of the confirmed cases)

 

The recovery is likely much higher now that you're getting a lot of breakthrough cases that are relatively mild.  

[NCBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

stop the fear porn- this is not the death plague

99.97% recover

 

maybe advertise the alternate treatments as much as the jab has been pushed and allow the treatments to be readily available, like the rest of the world

 

would greatly reduce any reliance on hospitals 

 

So all those confirmed cases with Ct values >35 that you can plug into the calcs to help arrive at the 99.97% recovery rate are just fine now, right?

[devnull]

1 hour ago, Meazza said:

I’d refer you to Alberta which is now in a crisis mode.

[Koko]

6 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

I've argued in the past for vaccine mandates for smallpox, should it ever break out again, and for childhood diseases such as measles and mumps.  

 

The people who vilified me for that are the ones that now argue for mandates against a much, much less serious illness.

 

Less serious?!? How many freedoms needed to be taken away to combat pussy diseases like smallpox, measles, mumps, etc.?

 

COVID requires eternal lockdowns in a socialist utopia to combat! St. Fauci says so, therefore it's SCIENCE!

[Nouseforaname]

13 hours ago, GG1 said:

That's the right # though (of the confirmed cases)

 

The recovery is likely much higher now that you're getting a lot of breakthrough cases that are relatively mild.  

 

Excuse my ignorance but how does 1%> mortality in some areas (based on confirmed cases) translate to 99.97% recovery rate?

[GG1]

10 minutes ago, Meazza said:

 

Excuse my ignorance but how does 1%> mortality in some areas (based on confirmed cases) translate to 99.97% recovery rate?

 

I believe he's referring to 0.26% mortality rates of total confirmed cases, which is the correct number.  Using >1% mortality of a certain subgroup is misleading.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

36 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

I believe he's referring to 0.26% mortality rates of total confirmed cases, which is the correct number.  Using >1% mortality of a certain subgroup is misleading.

 

And that's probably confirmed and symptomatic cases, not asymptomatic infections.

 

Again: still can't find a measure of the morbidity rate for COVID.

[Nouseforaname]

2 hours ago, GG1 said:

 

I believe he's referring to 0.26% mortality rates of total confirmed cases, which is the correct number.  Using >1% mortality of a certain subgroup is misleading.

 

I'm aware that >1% is misleading which is why I said that it's based on confirmed cases.

[GG1]

1 minute ago, Meazza said:

 

I'm aware that >1% is misleading which is why I said that it's based on confirmed cases.

 

Covid mortality is nowhere near 1% in any place where the numbers are verifiable

[Nouseforaname]

6 minutes ago, GG1 said:

 

Covid mortality is nowhere near 1% in any place where the numbers are verifiable

 

How does that number do when taking into account a hospital that is overwhelmed?

[Wacka]

Zed's dead.

[Wacka]

Don't post anything about overwhelmed hospitals in WNY. Mercy Hospital in South Buffalo is having a strike or work slowdown and is not accepting any non-emergency cases right now.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Wacka