Quarterback Carousel 2022 (new year starts on pg. 53)

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

57 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

The fact that 30 people aren't responding to this point with pitchforks is clearly a sign we're not ATOP anymore.

 

Those Kaepernick freaks will die on the hill that Kaepernick is right about everything, and the NFL is blackballing him.

 

 

Which is exactly the melodramatic crap I'm talking about, of course.

 

And it will never stop, because they need him to be a victim of abstruse and unquantifiable and racist oppression.  If he signs anywhere as a backup, he's being blackballed by not being a starter.  If he's a starter, he's being kept out of the playoffs,  If he makes the playoffs, he's oppressed for not winning the Superbowl.  If he wins the Supebowl...he's still a victim of systemic racism, he just worked hard to overcome it (see also the "Magical Negro" trope.)

 

Progressives need him to be an archetype of the oppressed black man.  They'll never let go.  Who wants to sign that bullshit to a contract?

[Fansince88]

17 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Which is exactly the melodramatic crap I'm talking about, of course.

 

And it will never stop, because they need him to be a victim of abstruse and unquantifiable and racist oppression.  If he signs anywhere as a backup, he's being blackballed by not being a starter.  If he's a starter, he's being kept out of the playoffs,  If he makes the playoffs, he's oppressed for not winning the Superbowl.  If he wins the Supebowl...he's still a victim of systemic racism, he just worked hard to overcome it (see also the "Magical Negro" trope.)

 

Progressives need him to be an archetype of the oppressed black man.  They'll never let go.  Who wants to sign that bullshit to a contract?

[Ann]

From Peter King's Football Morning in America:
 

The Deshaun Watson guaranteed contract has some owners sweating
 

Every year, after the Super Bowl, the NFL totals the guaranteed money that each team has on its books. Sometime in March, the teams are told how much money they need to have in escrow to cover the cost of those contracts. In the case of Watson, when the league does its accounting next winter, it will tell the Browns they’ll have to put $184 million (the sum total of the final four years of the contract owed to Watson) in escrow to cover the commitment to Watson. This is done once a year, and because the Watson deal was done after this, Cleveland gets a break in year one … but not for the final four years. So, you ask, why does this matter? Because the next two quarterbacks likely to be in line for mega-deals, Joe Burrow of Cincinnati and Justin Herbert of the Chargers, are employed by owners that have football as the family business. Mike Brown (Bengals) and Dean Spanos (Chargers) don’t have anywhere near the liquidity of teams with money from other businesses behind them; Haslem, for instance, is a truckstop magnate.

The guarantee for Watson stunned GMs and club presidents—I can tell you that. Kansas City quarterback Patrick Mahomes’ contract is 19-percent guaranteed. Buffalo QB Josh Allen’s is 39-percent guaranteed. It’s likely that when it comes time for Burrow or Herbert to do a new deal (they’re eligible after the 2022 season), the teams will argue that Watson’s deal is a one-off and they can’t do that. But contracts always get piggybacked. Agents and players will certainly try to continue the fully guaranteed trend.

[Alaska Darin]

3 hours ago, Ann said:

From Peter King's Football Morning in America:
 

The Deshaun Watson guaranteed contract has some owners sweating
 

Every year, after the Super Bowl, the NFL totals the guaranteed money that each team has on its books. Sometime in March, the teams are told how much money they need to have in escrow to cover the cost of those contracts. In the case of Watson, when the league does its accounting next winter, it will tell the Browns they’ll have to put $184 million (the sum total of the final four years of the contract owed to Watson) in escrow to cover the commitment to Watson. This is done once a year, and because the Watson deal was done after this, Cleveland gets a break in year one … but not for the final four years. So, you ask, why does this matter? Because the next two quarterbacks likely to be in line for mega-deals, Joe Burrow of Cincinnati and Justin Herbert of the Chargers, are employed by owners that have football as the family business. Mike Brown (Bengals) and Dean Spanos (Chargers) don’t have anywhere near the liquidity of teams with money from other businesses behind them; Haslem, for instance, is a truckstop magnate.

The guarantee for Watson stunned GMs and club presidents—I can tell you that. Kansas City quarterback Patrick Mahomes’ contract is 19-percent guaranteed. Buffalo QB Josh Allen’s is 39-percent guaranteed. It’s likely that when it comes time for Burrow or Herbert to do a new deal (they’re eligible after the 2022 season), the teams will argue that Watson’s deal is a one-off and they can’t do that. But contracts always get piggybacked. Agents and players will certainly try to continue the fully guaranteed trend.

That is going to be a tough bell to unring.  I guarantee the owners are insanely pissed at Haslam for doing something so desperate without considering the long term financial ramifications for the rest of the league.

[Seasons1992]

41 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

That is going to be a tough bell to unring.  I guarantee the owners are insanely pissed at Haslam for doing something so desperate without considering the long term financial ramifications for the rest of the league.

 

Well, he IS a crook, so no surprise there.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/4/2/17182368/pilot-flying-j-fraud-scandal-update-jimmy-haslam-cleveland-browns

[Spartacus]

7 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

That is going to be a tough bell to unring.  I guarantee the owners are insanely pissed at Haslam for doing something so desperate without considering the long term financial ramifications for the rest of the league.

a lot posturing because owners can't control themselves

 

if they really cared, the next owner with a QB looking for 100% guaranteed, tells him no.

The agent would whine, and demand a trade or to at least test the market.

The other 30 owners (except Haslem) could then put down this guaranteed contract upraising right quick,

by all refusing any semblance of 100% guarantee

 

However, you know at east owner would chase the golden QB (Jerry Jones- to the courtesy phone)

and backstab owner #1

[IDBillzFan]

7 hours ago, Alaska Darin said:

That is going to be a tough bell to unring.  I guarantee the owners are insanely pissed at Haslam for doing something so desperate without considering the long term financial ramifications for the rest of the league.

 

The owners are going to have to toe the line on this and hope the deal blows up fast enough to show the short-sightedness of the Browns.

 

I think you have to ask yourself, who is next? You have to be young and damn special; Lamar is probably next, followed maybe by Herbert and Burrows. Lamar says he wants to wait until next year to do his deal. Herbert and Burrows are entering their third year, so there is time. 

 

But if not them, who? Mahomes and Allen have their contracts. Murray is toast. Tua is toast. 

 

So Baltimore looks to be first up.

[Spartacus]

9 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

The owners are going to have to toe the line on this and hope the deal blows up fast enough to show the short-sightedness of the Browns.

 

I think you have to ask yourself, who is next? You have to be young and damn special; Lamar is probably next, followed maybe by Herbert and Burrows. Lamar says he wants to wait until next year to do his deal. Herbert and Burrows are entering their third year, so there is time. 

 

But if not them, who? Mahomes and Allen have their contracts. Murray is toast. Tua is toast. 

 

So Baltimore looks to be first up.

someone to give Baker the golden ticket

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, Spartacus said:

someone to give Baker the golden ticket

 

[Arm of Harm]

On 4/2/2022 at 5:48 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Yeah...but no one else is willing to accept him in a backup role, because the SJWs will keep screaming "Discrimination!" if he's not a starter.

 

That's why he's not in the league.  Not good enough to be a starter, but while he's unquestionably good enough in a backup role, nobody wants the melodrama that brings.

He produced well during the time of Roman Empire. After the fall of Roman’s Empire, the 49ers went to a more traditional style of offense. Kaepernick did not do well. He entered a two year competition with Blaine Gabbert for the starting position. Gabbert outplayed Kaepernick during the first of those two years; while Kaepernick was the better of the two in the second year. Both QBs exited the 49ers at the end of two years. Gabbert signed a vet minimum deal with another team, while no one signed Kaepernick. 
 

Is Kaepernick good enough to be a backup? Yes, for a team like the Ravens. You need an offensive coordinator who uses a QB’s mobility to conceal his limitations as a passer. Roman does that better than anyone. If an OC hasn’t designed his offense around a QB’s mobility, then maybe you could get by with Kaepernick as a backup. But you could just as easily get by with any number of other QBs instead. Both Edwards and Losman exited the NFL in what should have been the prime of their careers. Neither could get a job as a backup or third string QB. If your offense isn’t designed around a QB’s mobility, does Kaepernick provide a real upgrade over Losman or Edwards? It’s not obvious to me that he does. 

[Alaska Darin]

8 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

He produced well during the time of Roman Empire. After the fall of Roman’s Empire, the 49ers went to a more traditional style of offense. Kaepernick did not do well. He entered a two year competition with Blaine Gabbert for the starting position. Gabbert outplayed Kaepernick during the first of those two years; while Kaepernick was the better of the two in the second year. Both QBs exited the 49ers at the end of two years. Gabbert signed a vet minimum deal with another team, while no one signed Kaepernick. 
 

Is Kaepernick good enough to be a backup? Yes, for a team like the Ravens. You need an offensive coordinator who uses a QB’s mobility to conceal his limitations as a passer. Roman does that better than anyone. If an OC hasn’t designed his offense around a QB’s mobility, then maybe you could get by with Kaepernick as a backup. But you could just as easily get by with any number of other QBs instead. Both Edwards and Losman exited the NFL in what should have been the prime of their careers. Neither could get a job as a backup or third string QB. If your offense isn’t designed around a QB’s mobility, does Kaepernick provide a real upgrade over Losman or Edwards? It’s not obvious to me that he does. 

It doesn't matter anymore how talented he is - he's a divisive distraction in a league where guys like that are viewed as a cancer UNLESS they are very special talents - which he is not.

 

He made his bed.  He gets to sleep in it for eternity. 

[Ann]

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[devnull]

16 hours ago, Spartacus said:

someone to give Baker the golden ticket

 

I am so hoping to see Baker do a commercial for Unemployment Insurance.

 

Because you can't always predict losing your job

[Koko]

On 4/3/2022 at 12:20 PM, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Which is exactly the melodramatic crap I'm talking about, of course.

 

And it will never stop, because they need him to be a victim of abstruse and unquantifiable and racist oppression.  If he signs anywhere as a backup, he's being blackballed by not being a starter.  If he's a starter, he's being kept out of the playoffs,  If he makes the playoffs, he's oppressed for not winning the Superbowl.  If he wins the Supebowl...he's still a victim of systemic racism, he just worked hard to overcome it (see also the "Magical Negro" trope.)

 

Progressives need him to be an archetype of the oppressed black man.  They'll never let go.  Who wants to sign that bullshit to a contract?

 

Of course, it's a sign of systemic racism that Kaepernick is not being allowed to sell himself back into what he described as 'slavery'.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said:

It doesn't matter anymore how talented he is - he's a divisive distraction in a league where guys like that are viewed as a cancer UNLESS they are very special talents - which he is not.

 

He made his bed.  He gets to sleep in it for eternity. 

 

And again, it has to be said because literally NO talking head in the sports world has the nutsack to say it: no one is going to consider you a serious NFL football player -- backup or otherwise -- after you blatantly told the whole world that the NFL runs a slave trade.

[Chandemonium]

On 4/3/2022 at 11:54 AM, Core Four said:

 

He is good enough to be a starter, though a marginal one who a FO will look to upgrade at the first opportunity to do so.

As you said, he would be best suited as a backup, but then he'll be a slave/man keeping him down/oppressed/etc which is exactly why he's not in the league.  Like making millions of dollars is oppressed...man, I wish I was oppressed.

The fact that he’s a political hot potato aside, can anyone really say he’s even good enough to be a backup at this point? 5 years is a long time to be out of football from the mental and processing the game side of things, and he’s old enough now that he’s on the downslope of his physical prime as well. 

[Foxx]

Sad news

 

[Nanker]

Hit by a dump truck! Wow!

[Alaska Darin]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Hit by a dump truck! Wow!

Not a big surprise given his inability to avoid pass rushers.

 

#TooSoon?

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said:

Not a big surprise given his inability to avoid pass rushers.

 

#TooSoon?

 

Always said his offensive line couldn't block traffic.