[positional grouping] Bills Running Backs

[Fansince88]

3 minutes ago, Nouseforaname said:

Exactly.  Elite running backs will exploit even the tiniest gap and pick up yards.  Having to account for that and the double whammy of josh Allen would definitely improve the offense.

In full transparency I don't see it happening. That said, to say our OL is so terrible that Henry couldn't run behind it is just wrong. We have a running game. We dont use the running game. Also, it needs to be said that the DL that plays against us week in and week out are pros too.

[Nouseforaname]

1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

In full transparency I don't see it happening. That said, to say our OL is so terrible that Henry couldn't run behind it is just wrong. We have a running game. We dont use the running game. Also, it needs to be said that the DL that plays against us week in and week out are pros too.

I agree with you.

[Nouseforaname]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

so how many carries would need to be allocated to a superstud back to keep him happy and make it a worthwhile investment?

 

on the flip side, you already are paying mega-bucks to your superstud QB - how many potentially explosive plays do you take away from Josh in exchange for pounding the rock, just because?

Shifting the goalposts ? That’s not like you.

[Alaska Darin]

3 hours ago, Fansince88 said:

I think this statement is a stretch. They need to improve but they are not so bad that Henry in his prime couldn't run behind it. 

You're right...offense is basically a ballet and better skill position talent makes up for a lot of warts elsewhere.

 

You have an elite QB...if you put elite skill talent on the field it makes defenses a hell of a lot more honest when it comes to how they defend you.  They simply cannot regularly play Cover Zero or ignore the running game in favor of exotic pressures.

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said:

You're right...offense is basically a ballet and better skill position talent makes up for a lot of warts elsewhere.

 

You have an elite QB...if you put elite skill talent on the field it makes defenses a hell of a lot more honest when it comes to how they defend you.  They simply cannot regularly play Cover Zero or ignore the running game in favor of exotic pressures.

Bills RB talent has not been the problem.

 

Bigger issue is failure to set up the run,  out of the pass formations (draws, spread formations)

and lack of commitment to master and sustain run blocks  

 

if you don't change the above, adding a high price RB won't push the needle much

 

[Alaska Darin]

8 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Bills RB talent has not been the problem.

 

Bigger issue is failure to set up the run,  out of the pass formations (draws, spread formations)

and lack of commitment to master and sustain run blocks  

 

if you don't change the above, adding a high price RB won't push the needle much

 

Nonsense.  When Henry ran for over 2k yards a couple of years ago the Thumbtacks left side was basically DQ and Saffold.  Lewan played 5 games.  Everyone knew what they were doing and even with Tannyhill's clear limitations they were successful. 

 

The lack of commitment to the running game with Singletary is absolutely an indictment.

[Ninety-4]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

Bills RB talent has not been the problem.

 

 

 

 

I'd argue that situationally it has been a problem particularly in short yardage situations and in moving the chains.  Singletary and Cook are somewhat quick and slippery and their numbers (YPC) are good, but you can't count on them to break a tackle near the LOS and the Bills rely too much on Josh in short yardage plus Josh's ball security isn't very good not to mention injury risk.  The need for a bigger stronger back who can get the tough yards and make the opposing defense respect/scheme for that part of the game is pretty obvious IMO.  

Edited February 25, 2023 by Ninety-4

[Nouseforaname]

6 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Agreed, and my biggest point of contention here is the Bills are just not a good running back away from making a run. 

 

As long as they keep Frazier, there is no sense spending big money on a splashy name on offense just to watch an entire season get pissed away on defense.

How many times did the bills go 3 and out and put the defense in a difficult position because their offense became one dimensional.

 

I personally think having someone like Henry who could run through any defense would make the bills unstoppable.  Would make fraziers job much easier as we all know he isn’t going anywhere.

 

Of course this is a moot point, von is great but he still has a long way to go from becoming assistant GM.

[Nouseforaname]

46 minutes ago, Ninety-4 said:

 

I'd argue that situationally it has been a problem particularly in short yardage situations and in moving the chains.  Singletary and Cook are somewhat quick and slippery and their numbers (YPC) are good, but you can't count on them to break a tackle near the LOS and the Bills rely too much on Josh in short yardage plus Josh's ball security isn't very good not to mention injury risk.  The need for a bigger stronger back who can get the tough yards and make the opposing defense respect/scheme for that part of the game is pretty obvious IMO.  

Imagine having to constantly scheme for an elite thrower who can also run like the best of them and on top of that, a running back who can run through a brick wall?

[Spartacus]

39 minutes ago, Nouseforaname said:

Imagine having to constantly scheme for an elite thrower who can also run like the best of them and on top of that, a running back who can run through a brick wall?

for as much shit as the Bills get for their run defense, they stopped Henry

 

so unless the Bills seriously upgrade their commitment to run blocking and scheme,

Henry is not likely to magically make a huge difference

[Nanker]

I miss Roosevelt Leaks.

 

[Ninety-4]

4 hours ago, Spartacus said:

for as much shit as the Bills get for their run defense, they stopped Henry

 

so unless the Bills seriously upgrade their commitment to run blocking and scheme,

Henry is not likely to magically make a huge difference

 

The Bill's D-line early in the year when healthy was pretty stout.  

 

The Bill's O-line has to get better one way or the other.    

[Ninety-4]

2 hours ago, Nanker said:

I miss Roosevelt Leaks.

 

 

That Perine guy on the Bengals is a FA.  

[Alaska Darin]

4 hours ago, Spartacus said:

for as much shit as the Bills get for their run defense, they stopped Henry

 

so unless the Bills seriously upgrade their commitment to run blocking and scheme,

Henry is not likely to magically make a huge difference

They stopped Henry when the Thumbtacks had virtually no WRs we cared about.

 

Last year he ripped us for 143 yards and 3 TDs, including the game-changing play.

 

You're essentially saying that we could win with Ryan Tannyhill instead of Josh Allen if we were schematically better.  That's the equivalent comparison of what Henry is to Devin Singletary.

[Alaska Darin]

4 minutes ago, Ninety-4 said:

 

That Perine guy on the Bengals is a FA.  

I would 1000% love to have that guy.  Total beast, especially in short yardage.

[Ninety-4]

17 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

I would 1000% love to have that guy.  Total beast, especially in short yardage.

You never know.  He's young and shouldn't be expensive but the Bengals you'd think would wrap him up.  Bengals have their own cap challenges with some big contracts likely in the works for Burrow, Chase and their safety I can't name at the moment.  

[Nouseforaname]

40 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

They stopped Henry when the Thumbtacks had virtually no WRs we cared about.

 

Last year he ripped us for 143 yards and 3 TDs, including the game-changing play.

 

You're essentially saying that we could win with Ryan Tannyhill instead of Josh Allen if we were schematically better.  That's the equivalent comparison of what Henry is to Devin Singletary.

I remember that game last year.  He was unstoppable.  His arguments don’t make any sense.  

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said:

They stopped Henry when the Thumbtacks had virtually no WRs we cared about.

 

Last year he ripped us for 143 yards and 3 TDs, including the game-changing play.

He got more than half of those on one run in the second quarter, 76 yards. On his other 19 attempts, he gained 67 yards, for a 3.53 ypa.

 

We probably should have cared about AJ Brown in that game. Had we, we more than likely would have won.

[Nanker]

NFL Network has the Vikings VS. The Bills 2022 game replay on last night. It was their No.5 “Best Game” of the season. &#%$. If &#%$ing Singlefumbletary didn’t fumble the &#%$ing ball, we would have won that &#%$ing game. 

[snafu]

9 hours ago, Foxx said:

He got more than half of those on one run in the second quarter, 76 yards. On his other 19 attempts, he gained 67 yards, for a 3.53 ypa.

 

We probably should have cared about AJ Brown in that game. Had we, we more than likely would have won.

I’m not advocating at all for getting Henry (there are likely cheaper and much younger options out there) but there’s more to your post.
 

He had 3 TDs in 20 rushing attempts in that game.  He averaged 1 TD every 27 attempts last season.  
 

The Titan’s passing offense is based around Henry’s running ability.  Either they hand off to him, or they play action.  

 

Late in that game, Brown killed the defense partly because the defense was so beat down from dealing with Henry. And partly because they didn’t shift their focus from Henry.