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[Deranged Rhino]

8 hours ago, snafu said:

Am I getting this straight?

Joffe’s company had a contract to provide some sort of tech services to the White House during Obama’s administration.  And at some point in time, in 2016 and maybe after that (we don’t know yet) Joffe’s company may have used stolen info to provide to Sussman — who later provided that info to the CIA?

 

But the information was made up or false?

 

Did Joffe steal info or not?

Or did he steal info that wasn’t damaging to Trump so Sussman just made things up?

 

 

 

The contract he had allowed him access to the 702 data, accessed through the DOJ and FBI without a warrant or supervision from agents or DOJ officials. They (both 44 and Clinton’s machine) were convinced that’s all they’d need to find dirt on Trump, because everyone has dirt in their circles, so clearly Trump did too. That was his access - he was just given illegal access to our intelligence infrastructure, which was so routinely done by both 44 and 43’s administrations no one thought it was really a big deal. No one would focus on the “how’d they get this info” once they had it, they were convinced they’d find something scandalous if not criminal and that’s all people would talk about. 
 

But Joffe came up blank. He found squat. So Sussman (who’s guilty AF but still a fall guy here) had to make what Joffe did find look nefarious. 
 

That’s when Nellie Ohr came into the picture - along w Orbis and Chris Steele. The “state department” Russia expert (really CIA) who’s married to the #3 guy at the DOJ at the time. Using information taken from Joffe’s search (stolen information, innocuous but stolen), filtered by Sussman to the FBI and CIA, Nellie Ohr likely strung pearls from the dates / locations of people close to Trump to make it look treasonous. But it was entirely cooked intelligence from top to bottom. They, 44 (including his intel chiefs) and the Clinton machines, all knew it was cooked but thought it was irrelevant. At first because they never thought she’d lose.  Then after she lost, they had to find a way to keep it going just prevent it from being exposed.
 

Enter the ICA, Crossfire Hurricane, and the subsequent FISA abuse with the targeting of Page and others, and eventually Mueller. 
 

Every side in this story needs to cover up the fact that what Joffe did during the campaign was common place in the Obama and Bush White Administrations. If

that got out, and was scrutinized even a tiny bit, on top of everything else people have seen over the past two years of covid, the establishment may never recover. It would expose they’ve been rigging the game for decades. 
 

So, to keep that close to the vest, they’re throwing Joffe and Sussman under the bus to protect Brennan and Clapper loyalists in the IC, as well as the big chiefs themselves.  
 

 

[Keukasmallie]

An outstanding Letter to the Editor in today's Buffalo News recalls George W's attempts to nominate a black woman to the Court of Appeals for the DC district and the resulting Democratic filibuster led by none other than the current POTUS.  But it gets better, after that event failed in 2003, GW went to bat again for her appointment in 2005 and was successful in a bargain wherein the Republicans agreed not to end the filibuster rule!

 

The writer ends his letter as quoted below.  Jesus wept, do politicians EVER understand just how stupid they are?

 

[snafu]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The contract he had allowed him access to the 702 data, accessed through the DOJ and FBI without a warrant or supervision from agents or DOJ officials. They (both 44 and Clinton’s machine) were convinced that’s all they’d need to find dirt on Trump, because everyone has dirt in their circles, so clearly Trump did too. That was his access - he was just given illegal access to our intelligence infrastructure, which was so routinely done by both 44 and 43’s administrations no one thought it was really a big deal. No one would focus on the “how’d they get this info” once they had it, they were convinced they’d find something scandalous if not criminal and that’s all people would talk about. 
 

But Joffe came up blank. He found squat. So Sussman (who’s guilty AF but still a fall guy here) had to make what Joffe did find look nefarious. 
 

That’s when Nellie Ohr came into the picture - along w Orbis and Chris Steele. The “state department” Russia expert (really CIA) who’s married to the #3 guy at the DOJ at the time. Using information taken from Joffe’s search (stolen information, innocuous but stolen), filtered by Sussman to the FBI and CIA, Nellie Ohr likely strung pearls from the dates / locations of people close to Trump to make it look treasonous. But it was entirely cooked intelligence from top to bottom. They, 44 (including his intel chiefs) and the Clinton machines, all knew it was cooked but thought it was irrelevant. At first because they never thought she’d lose.  Then after she lost, they had to find a way to keep it going just prevent it from being exposed.
 

Enter the ICA, Crossfire Hurricane, and the subsequent FISA abuse with the targeting of Page and others, and eventually Mueller. 
 

Every side in this story needs to cover up the fact that what Joffe did during the campaign was common place in the Obama and Bush White Administrations. If

that got out, and was scrutinized even a tiny bit, on top of everything else people have seen over the past two years of covid, the establishment may never recover. It would expose they’ve been rigging the game for decades. 
 

So, to keep that close to the vest, they’re throwing Joffe and Sussman under the bus to protect Brennan and Clapper loyalists in the IC, as well as the big chiefs themselves.  
 

 

Thanks for the recap.  Ever since I read Nellie Ohr’s Congressional Committee testimony that Doug Collins released, I wanted someone to focus on her.  She’s been skating for years and they’re not on her yet. What a dodgy broad she is!

 

As for the 702 info — are you saying that Joffe was authorized to mine that data, but expanded his authority to White House communications?  Or was he always authorized to search executive office communications? There’s a big difference between the two.

As to the bold part, above, I always picture the scheme as a transporter scene from Star Trek.  Only the transporter malfunctions. 
 

 

Edited February 19, 2022 by snafu

[Foxx]

Quick, act surprised.

 

[Foxx]

Of course you did.

 

[snafu]

25 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Of course you did.

 

Ain’t happenen.

 

 

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

Ain’t happenen.

 

 

Unfortunately. I'll settle for jail, for now.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

Of course you did.

 

 

The royals aren't just a publicly funded family.  They're the head of state.

 

Cutting of taxpayer funding to the Royal Family is akin to cutting of taxpayer funding to the White House.

[snafu]

34 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

The royals aren't just a publicly funded family.  They're the head of state.

 

Cutting of taxpayer funding to the Royal Family is akin to cutting of taxpayer funding to the White House.

Right.

It is also like people complaining how the NFL gets tax breaks (or whatever they complain about) when the NFL offices don’t make the money that owners make. 

 

[Keukasmallie]

2 hours ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

The royals aren't just a publicly funded family.  They're the head of state.

 

Cutting of taxpayer funding to the Royal Family is akin to cutting of taxpayer funding to the White House.

 

And the problem there would be......

[Deranged Rhino]

5 hours ago, snafu said:

Thanks for the recap.  Ever since I read Nellie Ohr’s Congressional Committee testimony that Doug Collins released, I wanted someone to focus on her.  She’s been skating for years and they’re not on her yet. What a dodgy broad she is!

 

As for the 702 info — are you saying that Joffe was authorized to mine that data, but expanded his authority to White House communications?  Or was he always authorized to search executive office communications? There’s a big difference between the two.

As to the bold part, above, I always picture the scheme as a transporter scene from Star Trek.  Only the transporter malfunctions. 
 

 

 

Re: Nellie, you're spot on. She's one of the keys that unlocks the whole puzzle, or at least its true origin. The more one looks into her role, the easier the strings are to spot which tie the whole cabal together. Specifically I mean: her real position (case officer in Brennan's inner circle), her marriage to the # 3 in the DOJ chain of command and his Clinton/Obama connections, her HAM radio license (registered right in this window, the summer of 16), and that the information her husband Bruce gave to Comey which supposedly came from Steele and Orbis but whose metadata (per Kash and Nunes) was shown to be local to Virginia. Those things in combination paint a picture of how she, under orders from Brennan through 44 direct, used Steele as a cut out to refurbish Joffe's innocuous information as nefarious, and then used her husband as a conduit for the laundered and doctored intelligence to get it fed back into the system. 

 

She's one of the primary worker bees on the whole operation. And she goes back deep with WJ Clinton. But if Durham or any investigator were to go after her in any substantial way, they'd have to expose Brennan and Obama's role too. Which, imo, everyone has wanted to avoid - even Trump - because of the precedent it would set and the potential fallout that would ensue diplomatically and historically for putting a former head of the CIA on trial, let alone a former President. 

 

Re the 702/Executive Comms: This is trickier to answer because not all the facts are out so I have to speculate to fill some of the gaps. It's my understanding that Joffe was authorized to dig into the 702 data during the campaign, not White House comms (though it should be noted that the same infrastructure which holds the 702 data also scoops up the executive office comms - so technically he could do both, and likely did many times under 44 for other purposes like settling political scores). My research leads me to suspect this continued with Joffe through the transition but once the transition was over, Joffe's role was too. The actual monitoring/searching of executive office communications of the sitting president were likely done not by Joffe but by Brennan and Clapper loyalists working from the inside - who then fed them to friendly media sources or the Crossfire team.

 

Though, it's likely they used the same means that Joffe was to access that data without warrants or oversight. Whether they were using his clearance codes, or if someone put in a backdoor using his company's creds to keep the light on him rather than the rats inside the ship, I can't say for certain. But there was never a time where Joffe or anyone built a backdoor into the White House comms, or "hacked" anything. They didn't need to. That's smoke and mirrors imo to hide the fact that what he really did was just log into our existing security architecture in order to violate the 4th amendment rights of Obama's political rival on his orders. 

 

If people knew how easy it was to get around the rules protecting US Citizens' data and privacy, we might get pretty upset.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Deranged Rhino

[Foxx]

17 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Re: Nellie, you're spot on. She's one of the keys that unlocks the whole puzzle, or at least its true origin. The more one looks into her role, the easier the strings are to spot which tie the whole cabal together. Specifically I mean: her real position (case officer in Brennan's inner circle), her marriage to the # 3 in the DOJ chain of command and his Clinton/Obama connections, her HAM radio license (registered right in this window, the summer of 16), and that the information her husband Bruce gave to Comey which supposedly came from Steele and Orbis but whose metadata (per Kash and Nunes) was shown to be local to Virginia. Those things in combination paint a picture of how she, under orders from Brennan through 44 direct, used Steele as a cut out to refurbish Joffe's innocuous information as nefarious, and then used her husband as a conduit for the laundered and doctored intelligence to get it fed back into the system. 

 

She's one of the primary worker bees on the whole operation. And she goes back deep with WJ Clinton. But if Durham or any investigator were to go after her in any substantial way, they'd have to expose Brennan and Obama's role too. Which, imo, everyone has wanted to avoid - even Trump - because of the precedent it would set and the potential fallout that would ensue diplomatically and historically for putting a former head of the CIA on trial, let alone a former President. 

 

Re the 702/Executive Comms: This is trickier to answer because not all the facts are out so I have to speculate to fill some of the gaps. It's my understanding that Joffe was authorized to dig into the 702 data during the campaign, not White House comms (though it should be noted that the same infrastructure which holds the 702 data also scoops up the executive office comms - so technically he could do both, and likely did many times under 44 for other purposes like settling political scores). My research leads me to suspect this continued with Joffe through the transition but once the transition was over, Joffe's role was too. The actual monitoring/searching of executive office communications of the sitting president were likely done not by Joffe but by Brennan and Clapper loyalists working from the inside - who then fed them to friendly media sources or the Crossfire team.

 

Though, it's likely they used the same means that Joffe was to access that data without warrants or oversight. Whether they were using his clearance codes, or if someone put in a backdoor using his company's creds to keep the light on him rather than the rats inside the ship, I can't say for certain. But there was never a time where Joffe or anyone built a backdoor into the White House comms, or "hacked" anything. They didn't need to. That's smoke and mirrors imo to hide the fact that what he really did was just log into our existing security architecture in order to violate the 4th amendment rights of Obama's political rival on his orders. 

 

If people knew how easy it was to get around the rules protecting US Citizens' data and privacy, we might get pretty upset.

Glad to see you opine in a lengthy manner on these issues. Thanks! And thanks to @snafu for providing you with the impetus.

 

[Foxx]

Pedophilia cover? 

 

[Foxx]

Food for thought because the logic holds water.

 

[B-Man]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[IDBillzFan]

The moment this woman got busted for being a drunken bitch, her first reaction -- amazingly -- was to deny she knew any of the girls she was talking about. She then turned to hallucinating from a glass of wine and a sleeping pill.

 

You would think she would withdraw from the election.

 

But no.

 

The stuff she was accused of saying to the girls was ridiculous. I'm genuinely surprised there is no video.

 

 

 

[Ann]

What's this about?
 

2 Top Prosecutors in Manhattan DA's Trump Organization Probe Resign
A spokesperson for the Manhattan DA said the office was grateful for the prosecutors' contributions and that the investigation into the Trump Organization is ongoing, but declined to comment further on the case
 

</snip>
 

Dunne presented the charges against former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg and the Trump Organization itself last July.
 

The Trump Organization and Weisselberg were charged in what prosecutors said was a sweeping, 15-year "orchestrated" scheme to compensate top executives of the former president's company "off the books" and help them avoid paying taxes.
 

The Trump Organization pleaded not guilty to charges that included tax fraud and falsifying business records. Weisselberg, 73, pleaded not guilty to grand larceny and tax fraud charges, among others, after prosecutors accused him of personally avoiding taxes on $1.7 million of his income.
 

</snip>

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

4 minutes ago, Ann said:

What's this about?
 

2 Top Prosecutors in Manhattan DA's Trump Organization Probe Resign
A spokesperson for the Manhattan DA said the office was grateful for the prosecutors' contributions and that the investigation into the Trump Organization is ongoing, but declined to comment further on the case
 

</snip>
 

Dunne presented the charges against former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg and the Trump Organization itself last July.
 

The Trump Organization and Weisselberg were charged in what prosecutors said was a sweeping, 15-year "orchestrated" scheme to compensate top executives of the former president's company "off the books" and help them avoid paying taxes.
 

The Trump Organization pleaded not guilty to charges that included tax fraud and falsifying business records. Weisselberg, 73, pleaded not guilty to grand larceny and tax fraud charges, among others, after prosecutors accused him of personally avoiding taxes on $1.7 million of his income.
 

</snip>

 

Probably "We've done our part, now it's time to hit the book/lecture circuit and make our own pile of money."