Buffalo vs New England : Week 13 Game Week Thread

[Core Four]

Just now, Aloyouis said:

 

Ever seen a football stick to the top of a smooth football helmet?

 

I have. 😫

 

That was a miracle, which I for one enjoyed watching; and it couldn't have happened in front of a nicer guy in Rodney Harrison.  IMO, the 2007 Patriots were the best team not to win a SB, not far behind are the 1998 Vikings and 1990 Bills.  The Pats were a better team than the Giants, just like the 1990 Bills were a better team than the Giants.  The best team doesn't always win the SB, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your circumstances.

[Foxx]

12 minutes ago, Crap Throwing Monkey said:

 

Thirty years later, we al watch replays of that kick and still try to wave the ball back to the left.

I know every time I watch it, I find myself strangely leaning to the left. Never changes though...

[Aloyouis]

14 minutes ago, Core Four said:

 

That was a miracle, which I for one enjoyed watching; and it couldn't have happened in front of a nicer guy in Rodney Harrison.  IMO, the 2007 Patriots were the best team not to win a SB, not far behind are the 1998 Vikings and 1990 Bills.  The Pats were a better team than the Giants, just like the 1990 Bills were a better team than the Giants.  The best team doesn't always win the SB, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your circumstances.

Yup.  we were the better team against both of those Gints teams.  Lost both games to desperation heaves by 5head's little bro.

 

The Bears and the Packers... not so much.

 

People forget that we also have the throw up inspiring 4 (FOUR!!!) Super Bowl losses.  

[Ann]

4 minutes ago, Aloyouis said:

 

People forget that we also have the throw up inspiring 4 (FOUR!!!) Super Bowl losses.  

Been there, done that... 

[Core Four]

6 minutes ago, Aloyouis said:

People forget that we also have the throw up inspiring 4 (FOUR!!!) Super Bowl losses.  

 

Should have been five...idiot Shanahan

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, Ann said:

Been there, done that... 

At least we're not alone in that regard (Minnesota).

[Aloyouis]

1 minute ago, Core Four said:

 

Should have been five...idiot Shanahan

Run the ball and they win.

 

But stupid is an ability.  

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, Aloyouis said:

Run the ball and they win.

 

But stupid is an ability.  

 

Damn straight. Dumbest play call ever.

[Aloyouis]

DVOA Has Patriots Closing in on Bucs

The Patriots and Bills inch closer to Tampa Bay atop our DVOA ratings. Plus, why isn't Cincinnati higher, and have the Seahawks finally broken DVOA for good?

 

 

NFL Week 12 - The Tampa Bay Buccaneers hold on to the top spot in our DVOA ratings after Week 12 of the 2021 NFL season, but the gap between the Bucs and the rest of the league got a lot tighter this week. New England and Buffalo both had huge games and the two AFC East rivals leap past Arizona and now rank second and third. New England even passes Tampa Bay to rank No. 1 in weighted DVOA, our metric which drops the weight of games from earlier in the season to get a better idea of how well teams are playing now.


New England coming out of Week 12 with the best single-game rating at 90.7% may be a big surprise if you remember how well the Titans were running all over the Patriots defense. But the Patriots had their second-best offensive game of the season, leading all NFL teams this week with 6.9 yards per play and no turnovers. The Patriots really turned it on in the fourth quarter when the offense needed to run clock to seal the victory while the defense was shutting Tennessee down for good. The Patriots went from 42.7% offensive DVOA and 10.1% defensive DVOA in the first three quarters to 104.1% offensive DVOA and -97.8% defensive DVOA in the fourth quarter! The fourth quarter defense featured an interception and two forced fumbles, although the Titans recovered one of those. Yes, Khari Blasingame's meaningless fumble in the final minute does count, though with less weight than usual because the Patriots were leading by over three touchdowns.


Buffalo coming out of Week 12 with the second-best single-game rating at 72.3% is less of a surprise if you subjected yourself to their game with New Orleans on Thanksgiving night. The Bills put up their second-best defensive performance of the season at -53.5%, although there's a small asterisk there because the Saints' opponent adjustments are based on half a season of Jameis Winston and half a season of Trevor Siemian. The Bills' big Thanksgiving game now gives them five different games this season with a single-game rating over 60%. The Patriots have three such games and no other team has more than two.


Buffalo's variance is now 44.5%, which is the highest we have ever tracked going back to 1983. Someone pointed out on Twitter a week ago that it's not necessarily proper to compare variance after Week 12 to full-season variance; the Week 12 numbers should be a little higher because it's a smaller sample size. That's true, but Buffalo's current DVOA variance is also higher than any DVOA variance ever just through Week 12. Look for an article going further into the most inconsistent teams in DVOA history over at ESPN+ next Monday.


Of course, that article is running Monday because the No. 2 Patriots visit the No. 3 Bills on Monday night in one of the biggest games of the season. We're going to see some real definition at the top of the DVOA ratings over the next few weeks. The Bills play three of their next four games against either the Patriots or the Buccaneers. The Patriots play two games against the Bills plus one against the No. 8 Indianapolis Colts. The Buccaneers... well, not every game can be this exciting. The Bills are the only top-10 team left on the remaining Tampa Bay schedule, which also includes games against the Saints, Falcons, Jets, and two against the Carolina Panthers.

It goes on to discuss other, less relevant teams, good stuff all around, here's the DVOA figures for the top 5. I'm surprised, it's flipped from how I would have figured, they actually have the Bills with the slight edge on Def, and us with the slight edge on Off. ST of course it's not close. Either way, the rise over the last several weeks has been tremendous, week 5 if I recall correctly the Patriots were somewhere between 18th and 22nd by DVOA. As such the Patriots have easily been #1 by DVOA over the last 4-6 weeks, which is likely why the playoff projections and odds are what they are.
 

RK	TEAM	TOTAL DVOA	LAST WEEK	TOTAL DAVE	RANK	W-L	OFF. DVOA	OFF. RANK	DEF. DVOA	DEF. RANK	S.T. DVOA	S.T. RANK
1	TB	30.8%	1	28.9%	2	8-3	26.0%	1	-6.2%	6	-1.5%	24
2	NE	28.5%	3	33.1%	1	8-4	7.4%	11	-17.8%	2	3.4%	3
3	BUF	26.8%	5	22.1%	3	7-4	3.2%	16	-22.5%	1	1.0%	14
4	ARI	21.7%	2	15.3%	5	9-2	8.1%	10	-12.5%	3	1.1%	13
5	DAL	21.7%	4	17.0%	4	7-4	10.0%	7	-9.7%	4	1.9%	10

 

 

 

 

 

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Core Four said:

 

Should have been five...idiot Shanahan

Should’ve been six…..idiots Shanahan and Carroll.

[Core Four]

56 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Should’ve been six…..idiots Shanahan and Carroll.

 

Ah, yes.  You're right...forgot about the Seattle SB.

[Arm of Harm]

6 hours ago, Fansince88 said:

Anyone that drives will notice that in the winter months they need to add air to the tires. If you dont know that....add air to your tires.

 

You are correct.

 

At least according to the college professor's video, the NFL doesn't seem to have grasped the point you've made in your post. (At least, they hadn't grasped it as of the deflation accusation.) They didn't seem to care whether the halftime air pressure measurements were made inside a warm locker room or outside where it was colder. If the pressure was being measured inside the locker room, they didn't seem to care if the balls had just been brought indoors, or if they'd been brought indoors a while ago with time to warm up. The one thing they focused on, according to the professor, was the fact that the Colts' balls had much higher pressure than the Patriots' balls at halftime. Ergo, the Patriots must have been cheating. Or at least so the NFL reasoned.

 

According to the professor, the Patriots' halftime air pressure measurements were in line with what one would expect, based on his experiment. But the Colts' air pressure measurements were significantly higher than the experiment would have led one to anticipate. He believes the Colts' balls may have been kept in a warm locker room for a time before being measured, which would explain a large portion of the higher-than-expected air pressure. But at least at that time the NFL wasn't keeping track of stuff like that.

[Joe]

How on earth did a chowd find our little corner of the internet? I have my suspicions.. .

 

🧐

[Aloyouis]

9 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

You are correct.

 

At least according to the college professor's video, the NFL doesn't seem to have grasped the point you've made in your post. (At least, they hadn't grasped it as of the deflation accusation.) They didn't seem to care whether the halftime air pressure measurements were made inside a warm locker room or outside where it was colder. If the pressure was being measured inside the locker room, they didn't seem to care if the balls had just been brought indoors, or if they'd been brought indoors a while ago with time to warm up. The one thing they focused on, according to the professor, was the fact that the Colts' balls had much higher pressure than the Patriots' balls at halftime. Ergo, the Patriots must have been cheating. Or at least so the NFL reasoned.

 

According to the professor, the Patriots' halftime air pressure measurements were in line with what one would expect, based on his experiment. But the Colts' air pressure measurements were significantly higher than the experiment would have led one to anticipate. He believes the Colts' balls may have been kept in a warm locker room for a time before being measured, which would explain a large portion of the higher-than-expected air pressure. But at least at that time the NFL wasn't keeping track of stuff like that.

100% Correct.  Great post.

 

 

Yet the NFL continued to persecute the Patriots and suspend Brady for 4 GAMES over this manufactured "cheating scandal".  They suspended Brady for 25% of teh season for something any person with an IQ of 50 would know was a false accusation.  

 

So again, tell me why that league would destroy evidence in "spy gate" to help the Pats?

 

The NFL only helps the owners of the NFL.  PERIOD.

[Ann]

 

 

https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1466059517007831041

[IDBillzFan]

For the karma people, here's how you guarantee a loss on Monday Night.

 

 

[Hedge]

 

 

[GG1]

16 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

That would be huge as he's been getting much more involved.

[Crap Throwing Clavin]

17 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

"Possible COVID-19-related situation?"  What the bloody &#%$ is a "possible COVID-19-related situation?"  He's vaccinated or not, he was exposed or not, he tested positive or not, he's sick or not.  It's not exactly a vague outcome set.

[LB3]

He probably assault sneezed on someone. You can't be too careful these days.

Edited December 1, 2021 by LB3